Does Cook go? Yes or no?

[Dr Cricket]

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this is the reason cook needs to go as a captain.
You don't lose 14 test matches since 2015 jan and still remain in charge.
England loss more test than WI in this period, although they did win 12 test in this period but are 6 in the win/loss ratio.

You can't exactly say Cook been captaining well in this period or england been playing great Test cricket.

[Making_Splinters]

I find the idea of dropping Cook, when we've been completely unable to find an opener since Strauss retired, as somewhat novel, Hope.

I think you may be somewhat over egging the pudding on this one, drats, there I go again.

Cook doesn't really have any imput on the real issues that are dragging the England side down, but let's blame him anyway. It's a bit like banging a load of stats around, as some are trying, with out actually looking at the details. England have had 2 or three bad losses under Cook, by that I mean losses that England shouldn't be having.

We've had 8 Test against Pakistan in the UAE and India in India which accounted for half of those losses in the last few years.

[Dr Cricket]

Really the key issue is I don't see England winning against SA and Australia with Cook in charge but can see England winning with a new captain both those series.
well with the money ECB got and the resources England got they shouldn't be losing any test matches irrespective of where the conditions are.
India, England should be looking to win in all conditions and not make excuses when they don't win games.

[Making_Splinters]

Erm, we just won a series against South Africa, in South Africa, with Cook in charge and we beat Australia last time we played them, again Cook was in charge.

Sorry, but that's drivel, even from you, Bhave.

[Dr Cricket]

Well we have to see next yr then doubt England will win the Ashes or the SA series with Cook in charge.
remind me again what the scoreline was last time England travelled to Australia.

[Dr Cricket]

bit odd to still go on about the SA series/ Ashes win but be ok with them losing to India, pakistan, drawing to ban, wi and drawing to pak at home oh and losing to Sri lanka at home.

[Making_Splinters]

The last time we were in Australia we were whitewashed I believe, one of the worst series that England have played and definitely a black mark on the ECB. Not sure what that has got to do with your point above, but there you go.

England's chances of winning those series have a vast amount to do with whether or not Hameed and Jennings can secure top order spots and if Jimmy and Broad can stay fit. The personnel issues are slightly bigger than the Captaincy.

You're the one who brought South Africa and Australia up by the way, I simply pointed out that the last time we played them, under Cook, we won.

[Dr Cricket]

Captain are crucial in the field though can you see cook winning the tight session in the field. If anything the reason England record is over the place is because they been losing crucial session all the time.
England are more likely to win if cook concentrates on his batting than winning a series with him being a great captain.

[meninblue]

The last time we were in Australia we were whitewashed I believe, one of the worst series that England have played and definitely a black mark on the ECB. Not sure what that has got to do with your point above, but there you go.

England's chances of winning those series have a vast amount to do with whether or not Hameed and Jennings can secure top order spots and if Jimmy and Broad can stay fit. The personnel issues are slightly bigger than the Captaincy.

You're the one who brought South Africa and Australia up by the way, I simply pointed out that the last time we played them, under Cook, we won.

Yes a long list of retired / sacked players which are not replaced yet. And they will increase it if Cook is sacked as player.

[Dr Cricket]

Plus you have to look at it this way which one more important cook as a player or captain.
if you keep him as captain you risk losing him as a player as well.

[hopeforthebest]

I find the idea of dropping Cook, when we've been completely unable to find an opener since Strauss retired, as somewhat novel, Hope.

I think you may be somewhat over egging the pudding on this one, drats, there I go again.

Cook doesn't really have any imput on the real issues that are dragging the England side down, but let's blame him anyway. It's a bit like banging a load of stats around, as some are trying, with out actually looking at the details. England have had 2 or three bad losses under Cook, by that I mean losses that England shouldn't be having.

We've had 8 Test against Pakistan in the UAE and India in India which accounted for half of those losses in the last few years.

I agree it is somewhat perverse of me to suggest Cook give up the captaincy and opening but whilst he remains whoever takes over as captain will have an elephant in the room. I know in the past ex captains have remained in team but how successful has it been. Gower and Botham were probably nothing but trouble to their successors and Cook doesn't strike me as an easy person to get along with. Hussain and Vaughan must have been interesting. Anyway are we really short of promising openers or is it that the selectors are simply making it appear so.

[Making_Splinters]

But that's got nothing to do with the real issues that England have at the moment though, Cook could be the next Brearley but England's record wouldn't suddenly improve when they're missing two top order batsmen and a spinner.

Ponting had a lot of success but wasn't a great captain, Fleming was a much better skipper in terms of the nuances of the game but didn't have much success. Doesn't take much to figure out why that might be.

[meninblue]

Plus you have to look at it this way which one more important cook as a player or captain.
if you keep him as captain you risk losing him as a player as well.

Specialist batsman who is world class and fit will not retire at 32 imo. He is one who may get past Sachins run tally in tests. Already England great and further milestones may motivate him to keep playing.

[Dr Cricket]

Will cook like to still be in the team with a new captain especially if he declines in his batting. Can't see him getting close to tendulkar anyway another 5k runs is a lot to get could take 6-7 yrs to reach it.
He probably going to get 13-14k.
Would have broken it if he wasn't captain though and didn't have to deal with ecb issues.

[hopeforthebest]

I must own up to having a personal dislike for Cook so seeing the back of him appeals to me. His arrogant public statement claiming he was the only man for the job after the 13-14 ashes and I have a dislike of anyone who thinks killing animals for sport is a great way to live. I was content to tolerate him so long that he was batting well and doing a decent job as captain but he fails on both counts as far as I'm concerned.
As an opening batsman, go back to Essex for a year whilst the new captain beds in and try and earn a recall based on results in the CC which is what Colin Graves told Kevin Pieterson to do.