England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

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Who should be the spinner in the England test team of the last 40 years?

Poll ended at Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:00 am

Phil Tufnell
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Ashley Giles
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Monty Panesar
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Graeme Swann
7
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Someone else (I'll tell you in the comments)
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Total votes : 7

England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:00 am

I expect this one to be no contest, but I had to include a few less likely options to round out the poll. Note I didn't include Moeen Ali, despite a reasonable record as a spinner, as I consider him an allrounder.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:06 am

Panesar was briefly very good, but its a barren pot with one exceptional case. Had Swann played longer, maybe his record wouldnt have been good - I think especially to right handed he was beginning to get found out a little by the end. And given a longer span, I'd have expected more left handers to have picked that straight arm variation ball, which was his only variation in the locker.

But sub 30 average, on English pitches.... cant fault his career.

I desperately wanted to pick someone else though, because his post career commentary has taken years of my life.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:09 am

If we discounted people for being dickheads in the commentary box post-career, we'd have little left to choose from. Especially on the Australian side - there were only two I could ever stand to listen to, and one of them just died (Ponting's the other).
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:11 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:If we discounted people for being dickheads in the commentary box post-career, we'd have little left to choose from. Especially on the Australian side - there were only two I could ever stand to listen to, and one of them just died (Ponting's the other).


I had a lot of time for BIll Lawry, personally.

His commentary in the Ashes when Mitchell debuted with him was actually offensive. He mansplained to her all series, and was also openly flirting with her all the time with his terrible jokes. It was very uncomfortable.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:25 am

sussexpob wrote:
bigfluffylemon wrote:If we discounted people for being dickheads in the commentary box post-career, we'd have little left to choose from. Especially on the Australian side - there were only two I could ever stand to listen to, and one of them just died (Ponting's the other).


I had a lot of time for BIll Lawry, personally.

His commentary in the Ashes when Mitchell debuted with him was actually offensive. He mansplained to her all series, and was also openly flirting with her all the time with his terrible jokes. It was very uncomfortable.


Who are you referring to?

I should qualify I could only stand to listen to Warne when he was talking about spin bowling and fielding tactics. But at least that's part of the time. I can't stand listening to the likes of Slater, Healy, Taylor etc. at all.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:27 am

Swann.

The Aussie lads used to be ok, but then they formed their own group and had a sort of laddish, OTT dynamic. Taylor especially used to be decent, but nowadays he's trying to turn into Ian Healy.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:29 pm

Underwood is the only person who challenges Swann in my time, and Swann was a fine catcher too whereas Derek had to be hidden in the long grass and was lucky to bat at 11.

Swanny probably a bit much in the dressing room though.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:29 pm

Swann by a distance.
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:19 pm

easy

best English spinner I've seen. I'm not aware of him having prodigious turn, or having a huge number of variations with which to trick or deceive, but what he did have was brain. A thinking spin bowler, who knew his craft and who seemed to instinctively understand the match situation and use it to work out exactly how to set a batter up and get him to make a mistake. Joyous (even if he was a bit of a d1ck)
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Re: England test team of the last 40 years: the spinner

Postby alfie » Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:54 am

Simple one. Swann. No one else near.

Can bat too which aids my thin batting options among the pace men :)
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