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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:41 pm

It'd be pretty funny if the ECB went for Harmer.

After the Mitchwash in 2013-14 they went to the people to find out what they wanted from an England team and decided they didn't want overseas players who qualified (like KP) so they introduced the most extreme qualification criteria in the history of world sport. A couple of years pass and the decide they want Jofra Archer so they change their rules. So you know what, let's fast track Simon Harmer... Why not?

I hope they do, because it would so effectively make them look ridiculous. But I fear he is just helping out in the nets.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:28 am

England might as well pick Morne Morkel and Duanne Olivier whilst they are playing County Cricket, blast the Aussies out with raw pace :box
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Slipstream » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:02 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:It'd be pretty funny if the ECB went for Harmer.

After the Mitchwash in 2013-14 they went to the people to find out what they wanted from an England team and decided they didn't want overseas players who qualified (like KP) so they introduced the most extreme qualification criteria in the history of world sport. A couple of years pass and the decide they want Jofra Archer so they change their rules. So you know what, let's fast track Simon Harmer... Why not?

I hope they do, because it would so effectively make them look ridiculous. But I fear he is just helping out in the nets.


On Tuffers and Vaughan they were saying he qualifies for England next year.
I wonder if we will see him on a Lions tour. KP played for the Lions when he hadn't qualified for England.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:19 pm

England selectors are so hopeless they'd probably select Harmer for the T20 side
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:54 pm

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:56 pm

Some surprisingly big scores on there.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:57 pm

thanks Bayleaf

imagine if they hadn't won the world cup last month?

and they very nearly didn't, of course
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:10 pm

the powers that be only sit up and take notice in an ashes year

odd that.

and yet encouraging at the same time, because they will at least try and do something this time, after completely ignoring for 2 years what everyone else could see was becoming a serious problem

the question now is whether the health of test cricket is more important than the bottom line, because while this isn't an existential crisis it will need a root and twig approach to solve it
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Ha..... usually it's after an overseas ashes debacle that the inquests begin
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:25 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:the powers that be only sit up and take notice in an ashes year

odd that.

and yet encouraging at the same time, because they will at least try and do something this time, after completely ignoring for 2 years what everyone else could see was becoming a serious problem

the question now is whether the health of test cricket is more important than the bottom line, because while this isn't an existential crisis it will need a root and twig approach to solve it

seems Dobel is asking the same questions

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Ultimately, though, all these issues stem back to one fundamental problem: county cricket does not appear to be producing top-order batsmen of the quantity or quality required. Until they do, England's team management will always be looking for contingencies and England's middle-order will continue to be exposed. Eventually, the penny will drop at the ECB, that by eroding the primacy of the county championship, they have eroded their Test team's ability to compete. They are the ones to blame for these embarrassments. The team are simply the product of a broken system.


England's Test batting is painfully weak. Perhaps as weak as it has ever been. Unless the ECB have the courage to change the county structure - and yes, that includes backtracking on the monstrosity that is the white-ball window and accepting that the focus on The Hundred won't do a thing to help the Test team - it will keep happening.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:29 pm

the ECB won't, of course.... they've spent every penny they had (and it was a lot of pennies remember) on what they hope will turn out to be the new cash cow, so they're more likely to appoint someone to conduct an inquiry, and then do nothing with it.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:31 pm

or worse.... appoint someone from the Graves family trust and task them with finding that the hundred is having no detrimental impact on test cricket at all
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:48 pm

Don't know if English cricket no longer produces good players. England have batters who have done well. But they're all getting worse at the same time much as the batters did after 2011. All of them, worse together. Then, I blamed Flower's coaching.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:57 pm

Flower is still the first person to get his hand on many people. We used to get leaks about him promoting his younger stock, but that's gone now. He's obviously decided it's not sensible to keep branding his failures and putting his head over the parapet. He's floated around in the background now in incongnito mode.....but it's hard not to forget that englands terrible batting woes were merged after his player pathway, with him the guardian of key parts. He took a job highlighting his biggest weakness. He flogged to death a group of talented players that were made by others, yet he hasn't created anything himself. He's like the Ringo of English cricket, riding on the others...the sooner he starts narrating Thomas the tank engine 2019, the better
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby backfootpunch » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:37 pm

The ECB will be annoyed there is no KP to scapegoat this time

Before we ruin Roy , buttler and bairstow as white ball players maybe we should stop picking them in test matches
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