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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby GarlicJam » Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:56 pm

alfie wrote: Might be questions about fitting him and Green both in the team but a nice problem to have...

maybe my memory is tricking me, but didn't they have both Marsh and Green playing in the same team?

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Aussies have a history of fitting late career players into their side, like Stuart Clark, Adam Voges, Mike Hussey, many others. Particularly at at the end of an era of a settled side.
good point - and all three had great late careers. The price we pay for this is that we have to hear Stuart Clark on the ABC as a special comments person. That's annoying.

And Adam Voges has coached WA to the last 3 Sheffield Shield titles, the last three One Day competitions and the Scorchers to 2 of the last 3 BBL titles.

That's very annoying.
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:16 am

Ryan Harris is another who must have been comfortably past 30. The Aussies tried to pick Clark multiple times, but he had a brilliant ability to get injured just before he was supposed to debut. His lack of fitness was always blamed on the fact he had an office job full-time, and was only part-time for cricket. Guess that shows how the game has changed, youd never get that now.

Mike Hussey was the enigma for me. I know Australia had a great tea, and a great B line up with several players who never got the cricket they deserved - but Hussey was a standout talent for me, and even in a crowded room of world class players, his personality, professionalism and work ethic were second to none. All great players, but I'd of had Hussey in there over Damien Martyn or Mark Waugh for instance back in those early 2000s or late 90s. He opened back at that time too, so maybe even Slats or Taylor could have given way earlier (and Langer before say 2000 had played a lot of tests without cracking on).

Allan Border once said that Mike Hussey turned up to an Australia A game back in the day, and while other players were messing around and treating it as a bit of fun, Hussey was acting like he was about to go out to bat to save planet Earth. He apparently spent the whole camp barracking coaches to critique his game, to the point of obsession. On a rest day before the game, Border thinking he was acknowledging Hussey's hard work, joked everyone should enjoy their day off and get some rest, but Hussey should go to the nets immediately and not leave because he needed some extra work. Everyone buggered off for the day, only to return and find Mike Hussey still in the nets many hours later. Apparently he had been there 6-7 hours refusing to get out and take a break.

Don't get players like that nowadays.
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:32 am

Maybe the 'Mr. Cricket' tag suggests he didn't fit in with the team culture. Though it's hard to imagine Ponting's Aussies were anything other than obsessive winners. Still, unbelievable Hussey didn't get a game in the '05 Ashes with the Aussies under pressures, form variable and with key injuries. And Clark too.
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Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:32 am

20 years ago this year...
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:12 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe the 'Mr. Cricket' tag suggests he didn't fit in with the team culture. Though it's hard to imagine Ponting's Aussies were anything other than obsessive winners. Still, unbelievable Hussey didn't get a game in the '05 Ashes with the Aussies under pressures, form variable and with key injuries. And Clark too.


I am not aware of anyone who has said anything remotely bad about Hussey, and plenty of influential captains or players who played against/with him who have nothing but positives to say about the man. I have heard Ponting say he was the perfect team mate on more than one occasion, a man who set examples with his obsessive standards he demanded of himself, but who was understanding, patient and supporting of other team-mates, who he would go out his way to help. I get the impression he was a popular and respected guy in the dressing rooms he played in.

Whether or not that fit with the "team culture" at times is up for debate, because the team culture under Clarke disintegrated into toxicity, and its clear this didn't sit well with Hussey. While Huss has never taken the bait to slag off Clarke, even painstakingly trying to paint their relationship as positive and misunderstood, he has made it clear he didn't enjoy being there under Clarke because on the environment - but then again, it seems pretty obvious that was shared by his colleagues. And the examples of the boat trip on the night of his retirement, and the Katich v Clarke dressing room fight, seem to point out that the team sided with Hussey - after all, both of these are incidents which arise from his team-mates seeing Clarke's actions as disrespectful to Hussey (badgering to sign the song, having the team not stay with Hussey on the night of his retirement).I have always thought Hussey retired because he didn't like playing under Clarke. I think Clarke might have even been jealous of the respect that Hussey had, and the popularity he had in the dressing room.

Faf de Plessis said of his famous match-saving 100 in Adelaide that the thing that sticks out in his memory most, was the fact that as the Aussies got frustrated, certain players started turning on Mike Hussey in the field (and by off the record comments to journos from others there, we can read Clarke from "players") .... Hussey and Faf de Plessis had played IPL together, and Hussey would talk to Faf off the field or not sledge him because they were mates. Clarke didn't like that, and Faf basically says Clarke spent two sessions shouting at Hussey that him and his boyfriend should get a room or other insults. Faf says he was a bit stunned by it - he'd never seen someone sledge their own players.

Hussey announced his retirement a few weeks later - worth noting he has just scored back to back 100s, and was on the form of his life. Always felt like that was the moment he said sod playing for this prat. Also the point that Shane Watson and Clarke start coming to butt heads, and Watson seems to have been a close friend of Hussey.
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby andy » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:47 pm

Be intresting to see where Cam Green fits into the test side when he is fit...is there room for him and Webster? And where does he bat? Batted at 4 did well, but now Smith is back there for the forseeable
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:49 pm

Australian cricket does seem to produce a wide array of interesting/complex characters, more so than anywhere else. Where else in the game would you find guys like Matty Hayden who cut a hyper masculine figure on the field while barraging you from slip for 7 hours with insults, only in his free time to be a devout Christian who loves baking fairy cakes. Or Stuart MacGill, who would complain to the team manager a night before the game that the hotel wine list wasnt to the standard of a man of his class and sophistication, but by the following afternoon has to be physically restrained from attempting to kill an umpire with a stump after an lbw decision is turned down of his bowling. Is there anyone who cuts more a serial killer vibe than Justin Langer when he's upset?

Even the robotically boring types like Steve Smith give us moments of joy.... if I am ever having a bad day, I can just watching him pretending to cry like some bad soap opera character, and I instantly feel better.

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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:17 pm

andy wrote:Be intresting to see where Cam Green fits into the test side when he is fit...is there room for him and Webster? And where does he bat? Batted at 4 did well, but now Smith is back there for the forseeable


I think all bets are off past the SL series, because aside from Steve Smith and Travis Head, I don't think any of the top 7 survive a disaster series out there. Khawaja is under pressure to retire, Marnus can't buy a run and has huge calls to drop him, Webster is a 31 year old debutant so he has to be good instantly, Carey is replaceable, and Konstas has almost zero experience so I can see that experiment ending quickly if he does badly, and let him go away and improve his game before permanently damaging him.

it wouldnt suprise me to see two new openers, Green at 3, Smith 4, Head 5 a new keeper and a new 6 by the new Ashes... or Smith to move to 1, Green 4 if Labu finds form. Marsh departing leaves Green a space at 6, but the move to 4 with Marsh at 6 in NZ, tells me they don't see Green as a bowling or allrounder moving forward.

I think that's sensible personally. Last thing you want in your side is an allrounder who can't bowl 5 overs without getting injured, and cant justify himself to get in the side with his batting - which is what Watson ended up becoming. For the value of 5 overs a test, may as well pick a batsman and have Head bowl a few to rotate. Or even Smith or Marnus. The natural would be Webster at 6 for some extra overs.

One thing Australia need to do is forget Mitchell Marsh exists. Quite how he has played nearly 50 tests despite being utterly trash is beyond me. Its almost like he has a famous dad who is influential in team selection and is cosy with the cricket board.....

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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby alfie » Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:39 am

O dear : careful please , Sussex... Don't remind them about Marsh !

M Marsh somehow averages 47 against England despite being roadkill for everyone else so I'd be rather happy to not see him in the Australian line-up next December :)
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby andy » Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:50 am

Smith to 1? surely not?! Him opening was a failed experiment and should never be tried again
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:58 am

I am confident that Smith will not be opener, and M Marsh will not play test cricket again - if he does, he's been rattling up the runs beforehand, so again, I don't think so.
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Postby andy » Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:27 am

No need for Marsh to play test cricket again now surely? Green and Webster ahead of him now, Hardie knocking around...there are options for the all-rounder spot for australia
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:16 am

andy wrote:No need for Marsh to play test cricket again now surely? Green and Webster ahead of him now, Hardie knocking around...there are options for the all-rounder spot for australia


Marsh playing so many tests despite miserable output suggests to be that the selectors either have a level of blind faith in his ability to eventually turn it around, or the value his contributions to the unit as a whole. Marsh seems to have a bit of charisma and personality, and seems to be well liked - and that has translated in the team management giving him way too many opportunities. So it would not surprise me if he goes away for a few months and scores some runs, to find him back in. I will reiterate I think he is trash, but I didn't pick him 50 times.
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:25 am

As for Smith opening, I am not suggesting its likely or its a good idea, just that recent times have shown that its a possible outcome looking at the current composition of the team.

I don't think its hard to see the selectors have no idea on what to do with the two opening slots. A failing, unpopular 37 year old was kept in the team at least a year, if not 2, after his value to the team had clearly dried up to almost nothing. And now, another 38 year old who hasn't scored a century in 16 tests and whose form in that time has declined very badly will probably go to SL and not be moved on - I think if the selectors had options behind Warner and Khawaja in the last few years they had confidence in, then they would have been moved to the retirement long before they were able to decide for themselves.

Since Warner went, Australia have played Smith at opener, gave only 3 tests to another player (which suggests they had zero actual confidence in McSweeney), and have picked a very raw teenager with almost no experience.... If Khawaja retires tomorrow where do they go? Because if 6 FC games was enough to get Konstas in, then I have to think zero players are around knocking on the door....

So no, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Australia decide that Smith goes back to 1, Green comes back to the role they elevated him to as a specialist bat, and Webster takes up Green's role for at least a couple of series to prove his worth. Maybe they can elevate Labu to opener, Smith to 3, Green to 4? I have no idea.I just think the answer the selectors come up with at 1-2 will be to reshuffle the pack, not to add to it. The sheer lack of available options is clear, so rather than leave Webster/Green out of the team, I reckon they would re-position them. Maybe even Webster will open, I Read he has batted every single slot in the Shield at some time or other.

Hell this could all be redundant... maybe Khawaja can save his career and Konstas will step up. I don't think either will in 2025, but lets see. Konstas might have a future, but he is very raw and immature with his batting if the last few tests show us anything.
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Re: Australian Cricket Thread

Postby andy » Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:07 pm

Could Green not open?
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