sussexpob wrote:
Adi asks who are these players..... here is a list of players that Andy Flower is responsible for capping on debut.
Amjad Khan.... Took 1/112 in one test 4 years ago, has never played again
Onions (yet he was included in the tour of India under Fletcher and was put in an initial world cup squad for the 2007 world cup).... despite being the best bowler in county cricket in about 6 years, and despite being clearly the form guy, not even in the back up squad and not used.
Trott - As I said, Fletcher was waiting to cap him when he became England qualified, Flower waited another 2 years.
Carberry - One test wonder
Finn - Hasnt developed into the great bowler, getting worse
Tredwell - One cap wonder - was capped with a FC average of nearly 40
Morgan - ODI specialist that didnt work
Shehzad - One test wonder.... looked a promising player but career and attitude was destroyed by subsequent international snubs
Samit Patel - The Asian pitch specialist that was picked as a second spinner - took no wickets and looked woeful on turning wickets - Test career over after 5 tests
Bairstow - 12 tests without a 100 so far
Taylor - Part of the biggest partnership for England in the SA series with KP, dropped despite continuing heavy run scoring.
Compton - Given less than a year despite his county performances being consistently good over many years.
Kerrigan - One cap wonder inside which he looked like the new Ian Salisbury
Woakes - One cap wonder, apparently not as good as an Essex 19 year old with no wickets or runs.
Out of sixteen players he has caped, 4 have played more than 10 times (Finn, Bairstow, Trott and Compton), four are still in the team (above list plus Root, Minus Compton).... SIX have played one test only, with Taylor playing TWO..... nearly HALF his new caps have been utter failures instantly dropped from the squad!!
Realistically Trott is his only long term find( but he wasnt really a find) with Root, Bairstow may be dropped very soon along with Finn, who gets dropped all the time.....
That to me is very worrying to see. For all the coaches, squads and systems there is very little to show for it.
Your argument makes no sense and doesn't look at the wider picture. For a start Woakes, Kerrigan, Bairstow, Taylor, Finn are at the infancy of their international careers and have time on their side.
- Trott is a Flower pick, Moores might have handed Trott a T20 debut in 2007 but wasn't selected for the longer formats.
- Onions looked an England regular before he suffered a long term injury, very difficult to come back in at a time when Anderson, Broad and Bresnan made the pace bowling spots their own.
- Carberry only came into the England squad for the Bangladesh tour when Andrew Strauss needed a breather after a busy 2009, he was not a permanent replacement at that time.
- Kerrigan got his one-off test cap when Swann needed a break, like Carberry he was not a permanent replacement.
- Compton was unfortunate to have got dropped, but it was at the expense of accommodating Kevin Pietersen.
- Shazhad suffered from injuries and form since getting injured in the 2011 World Cup, along with being disruptive at his former county.
- Tredwell hasn't disgraced himself when called upon, very rare for county spinners to have a 30 or below average.
- Bairstow might be not living to the hype, doesn't help when his playing career has stalled for a variety of reasons.
- Taylor has only scored 48 runs in his 3 test innings, Bairstow surpassed that in one innings in the last South Africa test. Also Taylor is far more suited to batting 3 to 5.
The only real fault with Flower was for the selections of Amjad Khan and Eoin Morgan, although the latter selection could be justified due to his international experience and personal qualities.
Flower was responsible for bringing in Chris Tremlett for the last Ashes series down under after a 3 year absence, a left wing pick which was criticised but proved to be a masterstroke. Bresnan was also a Flower pick after a 3 year gap from making his England limited overs debut against Sri Lanka in 2006, an experimental selection by Duncan Fletcher.