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Worth considering Shanky, how inexperienced Ashwin is outside of India. How hard is it to adapt your game to overseas conditions. He has shown ability at home. It might be worth persevering. Especially with his allround ability.

Oh, no, not again! Even at home, he failed miserably against the only decent opposition he has faced. I'm yet to see any ability. And there are fundamental issues with his action, if he's to succeed overseas on pitches where there is no readymade spin. He doesn't impart any revolutions on the ball and doesn't put any body into his deliveries. He doesn't bowl with a high arm action despite his height, which is why he doesn't get bounce. He is basically a "put it there and hope the pitch does the rest" kind of bowler. He also doesn't have the control to bowl 6 balls in the same area, he is too impatient and tries too many things, which he isn't even good at. I think he is just too floaty.

I just don't see any point in persisting, sorry and its not just due to his stats.

Shanky would probably agree with bishan bedi here.

“They are also under-bowled and underprepared. If a spinner has to bowl 30 overs in a Test match, he has to practice 90 overs in the nets. Only then will he get control and confidence. The performance on rank turners at home has given the spinners a false sense of confidence, and they don’t even know who their best spinner is because everyone gets wickets. Ashwin is the fastest Indian to 100 Test wickets, but he isn’t the first-choice spinner overseas. Doesn’t that say it all?”

http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-arti ... rse/122168

Get rid of Kohli would be a start.

SaintPowelly wrote:Get rid of Kohli would be a start.

Why would you suggest that.
Not sure you would remove Bell after the winter Ashes would you.

bhaveshgor wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Get rid of Kohli would be a start.

Why would you suggest that.
Not sure you would remove Bell after the winter Ashes would you.

He went back to Warwickshire and scored runs, if he had of failed there, I would have.

SaintPowelly wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Get rid of Kohli would be a start.

Why would you suggest that.
Not sure you would remove Bell after the winter Ashes would you.

He went back to Warwickshire and scored runs, if he had of failed there, I would have.

Still haven't gave me a reason why you would drop kohli.
India didn't drop Dravid in 1999 in Australia when he had a similar horror run to kohli.

Kohli is a fine ODI batsman, possibly the best in the world.

It doesn't translate to tests, and his record is worse than Gambhir, who gets alot of abuse.

SaintPowelly wrote:Kohli is a fine ODI batsman, possibly the best in the world.

It doesn't translate to tests, and his record is worse than Gambhir, who gets alot of abuse.

Kohli did well in SA.
Also if you did drop kohli which batsman would you replace him with.

bhaveshgor wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Kohli is a fine ODI batsman, possibly the best in the world.

It doesn't translate to tests, and his record is worse than Gambhir, who gets alot of abuse.

Kohli did well in SA.

So did Phil Hughes.....

SaintPowelly wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Kohli is a fine ODI batsman, possibly the best in the world.

It doesn't translate to tests, and his record is worse than Gambhir, who gets alot of abuse.

Kohli did well in SA.

So did Phil Hughes.....

Ok name me a better replacement for Kohli for the side.

i wouldn't leave out Kohli. But presumably Rohit Sharma is next in line.

SaintPowelly wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Kohli is a fine ODI batsman, possibly the best in the world.

It doesn't translate to tests, and his record is worse than Gambhir, who gets alot of abuse.

Kohli did well in SA.

So did Phil Hughes.....

Kohli should be in the team in Australia. Did ok there last time round, got a 100.

But if he fails there, then his position will most certainly be in question.

Calls for Kohli to be dropped are frankly a load of *******. Still the best batsman in the side and has a better record outside Asia than anyone but Rahane in this team.

Comparisons with Gambhir are frankly laughable. One is a 25 year old who has had one bad series after a successful couple of years in all 3 formats (longer than a couple of years in ODIs of course), the other a 32 year old well past his sell by date who hasn't scored a Test hundred for more than 4 and a half years (it was 3 years when he was originally dropped early last year and was recalled for this series despite doing zilch in domestic cricket). Kohli also has more Test hundreds outside Asia than Gambhir in fewer matches. Comparison of their overall Test averages is equally misleading. Kohli averaged 47 (GG 44) in Tests prior to this series. Because the former has played only 29 Tests so far, one bad series has resulted in significant fluctuations and his average has nosedived to below 40. Gambhir has played over 50 Tests and only played 2 Tests in this series as compared to Kohli's 5, so his average didn't take as much of a hit despite performing even worse than Kohli in this series.

Kohli is India's brightest star going forward and personally, he's a player that I'd be investing a lot in (and I said it even before he played his first significant innings at Test level at Perth in 2012). I'd put additional responsibility on him and make him the captain, in fact. I don't think his place should be under any pressure even if he fails against WI at home and in Australia (not that I expect him to fail). We need to be patient with these youngsters. Pujara, Kohli and Rahane will be the spine of the Indian Test middle order for the next 10 years. Mark my words. I'm less sure about the others. Certainly not Nohit who should remain, at best, a T20 specialist IMO. I don't see much of a Test future for Dhawan. Gambhir is definitely finished. Vijay is doing well at the moment but he is already 30, so he's more a stop gap than a long term option. I hope he can play for at least another 3 years but his inconsistencies at FC level make me a bit skeptical.

Gambhir should just retire lots of people rated him 1 or 2 even worse than Dhawan in the series.
His average of 6 flattered him in this series Shami, I sharma out batted him in this series.