Australian Cricket Thread

[Durhamfootman]

'be sure your sin will find you out' seems particularly true with the unsociable twaddle

and a lesson that so many people seem to be incapable of learning

hard to see how he keeps his place with Wade in the picture (is Wade in the picture?)

They wouldn't give it to Smith again would they?

'be sure your sin will be overlooked if it's more convenient that way'

[Durhamfootman]

I've heard Cummins being spoken of as a future captain

[sussexpob]

While I dont really understand in general the modern obsession of taking photos of your penis and sending them to women you barely know, it goes double for high profile athletes. Giving someone something like is like giving them a blank cheque to exploit you.... I mean, who wouldnt be straight on the phone to the crappy tabloid gossip paper asking for 10 grand in exchange for the national team captains frank and beans.

[Durhamfootman]

I read that she only brought this to light when she was arrested for theft in 2018

was it a photo or just talk?

[sussexpob]

I read that she only brought this to light when she was arrested for theft in 2018

was it a photo or just talk?

The report I read suggested he had sent photos of his penis to her by text.

[sussexpob]

Tbf to Paine I can't see the crime. The report I read had texts, it seemed to show responses that indicates the female in question was not being abused by being sent things she didn't want or wasn't discussed. They both acknowledge he'd be in trouble before sending the picture if it got out.

If two consenting adults want to exchange pictures of a sexual nature, it's none of mine or anyone's business. It's within the law and is down to him. If he's got a wife and kids then it's not moral, but since when did cheating on your wife become a sackable offence?

My problem is with whoever dug and then published this. This should have remained private and between the two involved

[GarlicJam]

I read that she only brought this to light when she was arrested for theft in 2018

was it a photo or just talk?

My understanding is that there was the photo and some texts - so at the time, it was mutually consensual, and there may have been an ongoing exchange between the pair.

I also don't get the idea of dicpics, but it looks to me that Paine was undone purely by vindictiveness. The theft that she was charged with was from the pair's mutual employer - Cricket Tasmania.

[bigfluffylemon]

I read that she only brought this to light when she was arrested for theft in 2018

was it a photo or just talk?

My understanding is that there was the photo and some texts - so at the time, it was mutually consensual, and there may have been an ongoing exchange between the pair.

I also don't get the idea of dicpics, but it looks to me that Paine was undone purely by vindictiveness. The theft that she was charged with was from the pair's mutual employer - Cricket Tasmania.

Likewise. A little unsavoury, given he's a married man, but legal and consensual activities between adults shouldn't be grounds for resignation.

[Durhamfootman]

I believe Paine became aware of somebody unearthing said pictures/texts, perhaps to publish for maximum embarrassment to him (or maybe something worse than that) ahead of the ashes series. If his resignation deflects the attention away from, and prevents it becoming a distraction for the cricket team, then resigning is exactly the right thing to do, imo

If my memory serves, and it sometimes doesn't, until the aftermath of sandpapergate he didn't really seem to have any sort of future in the national team and appeared on course to slip away into early retirement, so I imagine that when CA suddenly appointed Paine as their test captain they did so for the sole purpose of employing a steady hand to steer the side away from further controversy, which he has ultimately failed to do

[sussexpob]

I believe Paine became aware of somebody unearthing said pictures/texts, perhaps to publish for maximum embarrassment to him (or maybe something worse than that) ahead of the ashes series. If his resignation deflects the attention away from, and prevents it becoming a distraction for the cricket team, then resigning is exactly the right thing to do, imo

Why should Paine even be made to acknowledge this apparent scandal? Honestly, I am really struggling to understand what he has supposed to have done wrong. The press describe his actions as lewd or offensive, but on the plain face of it, he merely engaged in sexual contact with another person. Are we now saying that wanting to have sex or sexual fun with another person who is consenting and willing, is in someway wrong? Are people not even allowed to have any sexual expression anymore, because fulfilling certain nature desires is sick and perverse?

I'd guess every single person writing negatively about this has, and you'd think habitually through their lives, engaged in the same behaviour. Its perfectly natural and human to do so - so why are we even pretending that being sexually active is morally wrong? I wonder how many of these reporters send their wife a cheeky, frisky text on a regular basis to their significant other? God forbid there would be nothing wrong with that, are we all to live like trappist monks and not enjoy the fruits of our relationships?

If Cricket Australia think this is wrong, then good luck finding the next captain. I wonder how you limit your choices to those with asexual tendencies without being sexually discriminatory.

Societal norms in the modern day are really confusing at the best of times. Next week the same hacks and internet warriors calling Paine's behaviour lewd, will be at war with someone else for not showing understanding or sensitivity on the grounds of some other form of expression.... be it gender, sexual or god knows what else. So we are constantly told to be understanding of others, while routinely attacking the private beahviour of others. Modern day society is really a mess.... the only questionable behaviour here is those people wanting to bring down a man by shaming his private interactions in public.

[GarlicJam]

I see sending dicpics as wrong/ill-advised on a few fronts.

1. if it is unsolicited (or worse, repeatedly so), it is sexual harassment, and that is behaviour not befitting our national captain.

2. it is tantamount to cheating on his wife. This is not my business, not CA's business. The media, of course, consider it their business.

3. it is just dumb and tacky in my view - but I am getting old.


Only one of these should have any affect on Paine's position as captain, and the proviso in that is an unknown.

[alfie]

One might say it is a sign of stupidity unbefitting a national captain...

Test Captains are held to high moral standards to avoid embarrassment for the boards that appoint them. One might that think what consenting supposed adults do in their time off is no business of the management but such is not the case in the real world.

Gatting , barmaid , anyone ?

[sussexpob]

Only one of these should have any affect on Paine's position as captain, and the proviso in that is an unknown.

It is actually known. As per Cricket Tasmania's statement on the matter....

an investigation determined the interaction was consensual, private, occurred on the one occasion only, was between mature adults and was not repeated

[GarlicJam]

Right. Assuming this is true - they wouldn't be the first cricket authority to skim over internal wrongdoings - then only point 3 is valid.

How valid? In this age of retrospective sainthood, seemingly a lot.

[sussexpob]

One might that think what consenting supposed adults do in their time off is no business of the management but such is not the case in the real world..

On the contrary, many countries including Australia in recent years have passed laws against "revenge porn", which makes it a sexual offence to share the naked images of someone without their consent. With no evidence of consent being an issue, the fact that these photos are clearly in the possession of the media leaves the question to me that these laws have been broken.

But as is often the case in sexual based crimes, the focus changes with gender. Can you imagine if Paine had shared images of naked women given to him in private? The lady in question would be cast as a victim - in reality this is no different, so why are we treating it differently? This is a huge breach of his privacy, and has been used to cause embarrassment and shame to him, costing him his job. How anyone can think that is right is beyond me. What he did should not be discussed in the public, so its null and void as an argument.

A very high profile NFL coach just got sacked (Jon Gruden) and disgraced for, among other things, sharing nude pictures of cheerleaders in his team.