The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Making_Splinters]

It's the bit of the KP story that has never really been answered and in all probability never will be. For all his talk about quotas it doesn't really explain why he was batting in the tail in South Africa then suddenly batting in the middle order making big runs a couple of months later.

It's not so much an over sight but just down right strange at the end of the day.

I've often wondered how differently things would have worked out if Warks had picked up his contract when he first turned up, they are a side who do have a really good record of developing not just the player but also the person.

[Dilbert]

From one Poster who has more information about county cricket than me could not get well with those counties. Ego problems according to him.

There are always two sides to a coin. I read about this on the net, and my conclusion is that he never played for Hampshire as he had a busy intl schedule, and the Notts Captain threw his kit and trashed it, so he had differences there.

It is also a fact that he had issues with some English players. Who they are i don't know, so i cannot name them.

How is it a fact when you dont know what it is?

Also i have observed he has issues with CSA, Peter Moores, Andy, Strauss, ECB .

Again with CSA, he never had issues as he never played for SA. was never in contention.

He impressed members of Nasser Hussain's England side when playing for KwaZulu Natal in 1999; he took four top-order wickets and, despite batting at number nine, scored 61 not out from 57 balls, hitting four sixes.[38] Hussain then recommended that Pietersen secure a contract with an English county side.[39]

Despite the praise from the England side, Pietersen claimed he was dropped from the Natal first team. Pietersen felt that this was due to the country's racial quota system, in which provincial sides were required to have at least four non-white players.[4][40][41] Pietersen's view was that players should be judged on merit, and described it as "heartbreaking" when he was left out of the side, although he later reflected "it turned out it was the best thing that could have happened".[42] Pietersen has since firmly criticised the quota system,[43] which he feels forced him out of the country of his birth.

So according to you he never had issues even with Andy, Moores, ECB as well.

When did I say that?

[ddb]

Did anyone post this yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... eam-spirit?

Just beware of laughing too hard...at how bad it is.

[OffStumpYorker]

All that matters is that KP is not part of the team for this test. As I said before, one of the first things Flower and Strauss introduced in the dressing room was the ability to be Frank and have your say about any member of the england set up in the dressing room without repercussions.

The understanding for this openness was that players keep it in the dressing room, and they didnt air thier dirty laundry in public or to the opposition.

KP seems to have broken this trust, especially if he texted the opposition players in the middle of a series, the fact he didnt use his usual method (tweets) for communicating raises the question what exactly did he say in those texts. SA are brushing it off as banter, but it was they who leaked the existance of these texts to the media.

That therefore suggests that they were trying to stir up trouble in the opposition camp, which has worked.

In the end the ECB have made a decision, right or wrong, and us bitching and moaning about it is irrelavent, as an England fan I couldnt give two monkeys if the entire team where dropped I'd still support the XI players that took the field as they are wearing the 3 lions and have stood up to be counted, win/lose/draw, its irrelvant.

While KP is an excellent batsman, I have questioned his motives when pulling on the england shirt, especially after the Moores situation in India, and we appear to be seeing the same thing, or at least that must be the suspicion of the coach and captain.

[shankycricket]

@tickerscricket
"And that's stumps on day one of the third Test, with England 312/1 thanks largely to that stunning unbeaten 163 from Team Unity."

[Dilbert]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

[meninblue]

From one Poster who has more information about county cricket than me could not get well with those counties. Ego problems according to him.

There are always two sides to a coin. I read about this on the net, and my conclusion is that he never played for Hampshire as he had a busy intl schedule, and the Notts Captain threw his kit and trashed it, so he had differences there.

It is also a fact that he had issues with some English players. Who they are i don't know, so i cannot name them.

How is it a fact when you dont know what it is?

Also i have observed he has issues with CSA, Peter Moores, Andy, Strauss, ECB .

Again with CSA, he never had issues as he never played for SA. was never in contention.

He impressed members of Nasser Hussain's England side when playing for KwaZulu Natal in 1999; he took four top-order wickets and, despite batting at number nine, scored 61 not out from 57 balls, hitting four sixes.[38] Hussain then recommended that Pietersen secure a contract with an English county side.[39]

Despite the praise from the England side, Pietersen claimed he was dropped from the Natal first team. Pietersen felt that this was due to the country's racial quota system, in which provincial sides were required to have at least four non-white players.[4][40][41] Pietersen's view was that players should be judged on merit, and described it as "heartbreaking" when he was left out of the side, although he later reflected "it turned out it was the best thing that could have happened".[42] Pietersen has since firmly criticised the quota system,[43] which he feels forced him out of the country of his birth.

So according to you he never had issues even with Andy, Moores, ECB as well.

When did I say that?

He has to improve . He needs to show better adjustment with captains and coaches. If he fights with his coach and team even for Delhi Daredevils then he will be dropped there too. Past is past, he can change the future atleast.

[OffStumpYorker]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

I beleive he approached Australia first but they refused him a visa.

[meninblue]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

I beleive he approached Australia first but they refused him a visa.

OSY, do you mean that he was keen to play for Australia as well ?

[OffStumpYorker]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

I beleive he approached Australia first but they refused him a visa.

OSY, do you mean that he was keen to play for Australia as well ?

No, before he approached English clubs he applied for an Australian visa but CA wouldnt sponsor him, as he was classed as a spinner/tailender.

So he used his british passport under EU rules which meant that England couldnt refuse him a visa.

[Dilbert]

Knowing his personality, he should have just gone to Pakistan.
But then, he would have had to compete with Afridi, PCB, Butt and others.

Would have been a distant 4th.

[meninblue]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

I beleive he approached Australia first but they refused him a visa.

OSY, do you mean that he was keen to play for Australia as well ?

No, before he approached English clubs he applied for an Australian visa but CA wouldnt sponsor him, as he was classed as a spinner/tailender.

So he used his british passport under EU rules which meant that England couldnt refuse him a visa.

[sussexpob]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

He was noted as a youngster with very clear potential as a spinner. In the CSA policy of the time 4 non white players were required in the squad, and on Durban tracks known more for pace bowling Natal did not have room for two spinners. Being a Cape Coloured Indian, Goolam Bodi was given the spot and KP lost his contract at Natal, vowing never to return to SA due to the system that forced him out. Bodi was actually felt to be the better batsman, averaging plus 30 in FC(although failed to make an impact as a bowler)

Bodi has represented South Africa in T20's, so for such a close pick being based on skin tone, you could argue that KP was expected to also one day represent South Africa.

And the no proof of he has any issues with CSA??? Is this a joke!!??! Him and Graham Smith nearly had a fist fight about remarks KP made about the CSA and the state of the qutoa system, something that the national board implemented!!

[Dilbert]

The statement he had no issue at all with CSA seems rather hard to believe.

Why? There is no proof at all he had any issues with CSA. Neither CSA, nor KP, or anyone for that matter, including the press have said anything like that. So why speculate on something that doesnt exist?

He was not in the reckoning for national duty, he was playing as a bowler and was dropped due to racial quota. He did not like it, so came to England. He did have batting potential, and somehow clicked here.

He was noted as a youngster with very clear potential as a spinner. In the CSA policy of the time 4 non white players were required in the squad, and on Durban tracks known more for pace bowling Natal did not have room for two spinners. Being a Cape Coloured Indian, Goolam Bodi was given the spot and KP lost his contract at Natal, vowing never to return to SA due to the system that forced him out. Bodi was actually felt to be the better batsman, averaging plus 30 in FC(although failed to make an impact as a bowler)

Bodi has represented South Africa in T20's, so for such a close pick being based on skin tone, you could argue that KP was expected to also one day represent South Africa.

And the no proof of he has any issues with CSA??? Is this a joke!!??! Him and Graham Smith nearly had a fist fight about remarks KP made about the CSA and the state of the qutoa system, something that the national board implemented!!

That was after he left, not before he left. And mainly with GS, not CSA. GS thinks he is a traitor, he himself has never dealt with CSA. My arguement with Adi was that he did not leave SA because he had differences with CSA. The context was lost due to selective responses.

[sussexpob]

My arguement with Adi was that he did not leave SA because he had differences with CSA.

Well he definately did, they were the people who set the Quota policy in place, and im pretty sure I could furnish you with multiple examples on KP's views on that particular policy.