Indian ODI team - buidling to WC in Aus

[Red Devil]

Not really like for like. Binny more a batsman who can bowl 5 overs. Rishi Dhawan is a proper bowler who can bat a bit. Binny is an alternative for the number 6 slot if Rayudu doesn't click. Don't rate Binny very highly but he's probably not in direct competition with Rishi Dhawan.

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Dhawan averages 40.5 with the bat in FC cricket, Binny averages 36.5 - in list A Dhawan averages 24 with a SR of 93 and Binny averages 22 with a SR of 95. How is Binny more of a batsman?

Agreed that Dhawan is a far better bowler - averages 24 in Fc cricket whereas Binny averages 32.

[meninblue]

Stunned yet again by the constant omission of Rishi Dhawan i really am!

Guys whats your opinon on Dhawani Kulkarni?

Dhawal Kulkarni has injury issues very recently.He was at National Cricket Academy (NCA) at Bangalore along with Praveen Kumar for the purpose of rehabilitation course post injury.He has started playing club level matches at Matunga ground, which is opposite to Poddar college.I have been there many a times for various Harris Sheild and other club matches.Big ground in North-South direction but as too many matches are played there the boundaries are shortened.There are numerous better grounds than that in Mumbai though.He won't strain more in his first few matches, but will gradually increase his workload on his way to a planned comeback in terms of fitness.Not yet time to talk about his selection.

[andy]

Not really like for like. Binny more a batsman who can bowl 5 overs. Rishi Dhawan is a proper bowler who can bat a bit. Binny is an alternative for the number 6 slot if Rayudu doesn't click. Don't rate Binny very highly but he's probably not in direct competition with Rishi Dhawan.

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Dhawan averages 40.5 with the bat in FC cricket, Binny averages 36.5 - in list A Dhawan averages 24 with a SR of 93 and Binny averages 22 with a SR of 95. How is Binny more of a batsman?

Agreed that Dhawan is a far better bowler - averages 24 in Fc cricket whereas Binny averages 32.

lol so RED basically, Dhawan is the far better player..??!!

[Red Devil]

Not really like for like. Binny more a batsman who can bowl 5 overs. Rishi Dhawan is a proper bowler who can bat a bit. Binny is an alternative for the number 6 slot if Rayudu doesn't click. Don't rate Binny very highly but he's probably not in direct competition with Rishi Dhawan.

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Dhawan averages 40.5 with the bat in FC cricket, Binny averages 36.5 - in list A Dhawan averages 24 with a SR of 93 and Binny averages 22 with a SR of 95. How is Binny more of a batsman?

Agreed that Dhawan is a far better bowler - averages 24 in Fc cricket whereas Binny averages 32.

lol so RED basically, Dhawan is the far better player..??!!

unfortunately Binny's dad and his mates on the selection panel don't seem to be able to see that for some reason

[andy]

even when Binny was picked, he didn't do anything! 1 over and didn't bat..

[shankycricket]

Not really like for like. Binny more a batsman who can bowl 5 overs. Rishi Dhawan is a proper bowler who can bat a bit. Binny is an alternative for the number 6 slot if Rayudu doesn't click. Don't rate Binny very highly but he's probably not in direct competition with Rishi Dhawan.

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Dhawan averages 40.5 with the bat in FC cricket, Binny averages 36.5 - in list A Dhawan averages 24 with a SR of 93 and Binny averages 22 with a SR of 95. How is Binny more of a batsman?

Agreed that Dhawan is a far better bowler - averages 24 in Fc cricket whereas Binny averages 32.

I wasn't necessarily saying Binny is a better batsman. Rather how they are perceived. Binny came in as a replacement for Yuvraj, which suggests the selectors see him as a batting allrounder. But Dhoni batted him below Ashwin and Jadeja (actually, he didn't get a bat at all) and gave him only 1 over, which suggests a bit of confusion over his role.
I do think batting is his stronger suite whereas bowling is Dhawan's stronger suite. Doesn't mean Binny is a better batsman though.

[shankycricket]

Our team appears to be in almighty mess at the moment, doesn't it?

[shankycricket]

Really struggling to put together a squad right now.

Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
? (NOT RAHANE FOR F**K's SAKE)
MSD
Rayudu (not certain yet but should get a few more opportunities to cement his position, showed a good temperament today against a world class attack)
Jadeja
Mishra (still wonder if he's a little too slow through the air for Oz pitches but deserves a fair run)
R Dhawan
Bhuvi
Shami

Any two out of Yadav/Pandey/Kaul/Sandeep Sharma/Pankaj Singh etc.
Ojha/Bhajji


Still struggling to find a number 4 and a backup batsman. Saha would be my choice as backup keeper although won't have him in my 15. Can call him up if MSD gets injured.

Doesn't look a World Cup winning squad tbh.

[Red Devil]

No, it doesn't

between now and the WC (after the T20 WC) we need to invest in Aaron and also Rishi Dhawan as the spinners are not going to be that effective in Aus and NZ. May also need to try the likes of Pandey soon

[Arthur Crabtree]

We often hear that England do badly because they are not exposed to the competition and innovation of IPL. Presumably that means that India will have an advantage in that respect. I post as someone who thinks we should get some of our players into IPL- from a cricketing point of view at least. Not sure about the business ethics.

[shankycricket]

Think you're slightly overstating the importance of quicks in Australia, Red. Gotta remember the WC is going to be held in Feb/March i.e. towards the end of the Australian summer. The pitches will be tired and slower. Maxwell and Doherty were Australia's better bowlers during the recent ODIs vs England and that leggie Muirhead in the T20Is and that was in Jan. The pitches will be even slower in Feb/March. Not saying they will be subcontinental dustbowls but think there'll be enough to justify playing 2 spinners all the time at least for the matches in Australia. I mean, even Australia play 2 spinners. May be a slightly different story in NZ but even there, I'd play 2 spinners barring a really green wicket. I don't think the pitches for the recent ODI series were all that seam friendly (bar maybe the last ODI at Wellington). The rest were just flat tracks and our spinners were more economical than the seamers.
We just need to pick the right spinners. Think it should be blatantly obvious by now that Ashwin is not the man outside Asia. Time to give Mishra, Ojha and Bhajji a go in that order (that is, if one fails over a period of 5 games, try the next guy).

No idea what to do with the seam dept. Shami is the obvious first choice but Bhuvi is fast becoming a major concern. His new ball strikes have gone amiss for quite some time now. His death bowling has come on leaps and bounds though. I'd persist with him but not sure he's an automatic pick anymore. The likes of R Dhawan, Pandey, Sandeep Sharma, Kaul, Pankaj Singh need to be tried out. Well, at least a few of them. We need to have as many options on hand as possible.

I'm actually more worried about the batting, as its supposed to be our strength. Virat, MSD, Pujara and to a lesser extent Dhawan aside, the stocks are looking horribly dim. I'd probably not bother turning on the TV if I see the likes of Karthik and Rahane anywhere near the squad.

[andy]

IMO Dhawan has to play immediatly..Binny just isn;t good enough..

[shankycricket]

Depends on whether he can get in as one of the main three seamers (I think he can). I'd always play 2 spinners.

Of course Binny isn't good enough, nor are Karthik, Raina, Ishant, Vinay, Rahane, Rohit. Time to look at other options.

[andy]

Dhawan, in at 7...yeah as a 3rd seamer he's good enough..

[shankycricket]

India A are touring Australia in July. Great news. Should be key to deciding a few WC spots you'd think. Australia have named a very strong side, so we'll be facing quality opposition. Should give us a good idea of where we stand. Of course, the test players will be in England at the time.