Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

[Dr Cricket]

Making Spilinters confused here how does Ireland wanting Ireland vs pakistan/Sri lanka or any other game televised not happen/not possible just because ECB gives Ireland money and allows them to the county games. I see no reason why ireland can't do both.

Also your comment on cricket being funded, Developed and Supported by irish cricket is a stupid comment if that was the case in 5-10 years time india could pretty much control every single board do what every their want with their players, fixtures what ever just because they fund, Support and pretty much develop the cricket in that nation now just like you say england does with Ireland.

But I suspect you think that will be wrong.

I suppose all the people objecting BCCI should shut up since they fund, Support and pretty much keep the sport alive and can do what ever they like.

[GarlicJam]

Don't they already?

[Making_Splinters]

Making Spilinters confused here how does Ireland wanting Ireland vs pakistan/Sri lanka or any other game televised not happen/not possible just because ECB gives Ireland money and allows them to the county games. I see no reason why ireland can't do both.

Also your comment on cricket being funded, Developed and Supported by irish cricket is a stupid comment if that was the case in 5-10 years time india could pretty much control every single board do what every their want with their players, fixtures what ever just because they fund, Support and pretty much develop the cricket in that nation now just like you say england does with Ireland.

But I suspect you think that will be wrong.

I suppose all the people objecting BCCI should shut up since they fund, Support and pretty much keep the sport alive and can do what ever they like.

The fact of the matter is, without the ECB and English domestic cricket Ireland wouldn't be half the side they are now.

You've claimed that Ireland can't get games because of the ECBs control of broadcasting rights. Aside from one example, you've not actually proved that to be the case.

The ECB deal has handed Irish cricket a guarenteed additional income, something that they would not have had without it.

A fair few English fans are fed up of hearing the, "poor old Ireland" story. Let's see them put out a side that has not benefited from English cricket and be competitive with it before they, or anyone else has the gall to blame the ECB for Irish cricket's lack of development.

[Alviro Patterson]

When Ireland's rise to claim occured in the 2007 World Cup, 4 players of the 15 man squad consisted of ex-pats (Johnston, Botha, Bray, Langford-Smith) and another 5 consisted of players plying their trade in County Cricket (Rankin at Derbyshire, Niall O'Brien at Northants, Eoin Morgan at Middlesex, Andrew White at Northants, Porterfield played 2nd XI cricket between 2004-2006).

Whilst Cricket in Ireland is better managed than even some test nations, they are nowhere near strong enough to go independent just yet. Ireland's First Class competition of 3 teams playing four 3-day matches hardly compares to the test nations equivalent. TV money is not everything and there is no reason why Ireland can't arrange full ODIs against test nations visiting England or are twiddling their thumbs.

That the point Ireland can't do that because teams won't play because Sky/ECB won't televise the games their have rights to.
Ireland have tried many times to get team to come over or teams that tour england to visit ireland and the tv issue is been a big hurdle.

Complete red herring, Cricket Ireland receives central funding from the ICC and have decent backing. Pakistan and Sri Lanka have visited Ireland in the last two years to prepare for the Champions Trophy or tour of England.

TV issue is a big hurdle for the test nations playing who want to make a bit of money.

[Dr Cricket]

Making Spilinters confused here how does Ireland wanting Ireland vs pakistan/Sri lanka or any other game televised not happen/not possible just because ECB gives Ireland money and allows them to the county games. I see no reason why ireland can't do both.

Also your comment on cricket being funded, Developed and Supported by irish cricket is a stupid comment if that was the case in 5-10 years time india could pretty much control every single board do what every their want with their players, fixtures what ever just because they fund, Support and pretty much develop the cricket in that nation now just like you say england does with Ireland.

But I suspect you think that will be wrong.

I suppose all the people objecting BCCI should shut up since they fund, Support and pretty much keep the sport alive and can do what ever they like.

The fact of the matter is, without the ECB and English domestic cricket Ireland wouldn't be half the side they are now.

You've claimed that Ireland can't get games because of the ECBs control of broadcasting rights. Aside from one example, you've not actually proved that to be the case.

The ECB deal has handed Irish cricket a guarenteed additional income, something that they would not have had without it.

A fair few English fans are fed up of hearing the, "poor old Ireland" story. Let's see them put out a side that has not benefited from English cricket and be competitive with it before they, or anyone else has the gall to blame the ECB for Irish cricket's lack of development.

Good point TBH ireland CEo have always said england have helped them a lot although they do want more games against full nations.
i don't really have big prove but what I heard is that their lost games because of tv rights.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthre ... p=66221243
this is the biggest prove I can find.
I generally been making this point for a long time and I have had confirmation from it from people that follow ireland cricket that it happens.
All I said is if Ireland wants to qualify automatically they need more games and in the past teams have used tv rights issues to not play them so obviously that need to be fixed for ireland to get more games.

[Making_Splinters]

Making Spilinters confused here how does Ireland wanting Ireland vs pakistan/Sri lanka or any other game televised not happen/not possible just because ECB gives Ireland money and allows them to the county games. I see no reason why ireland can't do both.

Also your comment on cricket being funded, Developed and Supported by irish cricket is a stupid comment if that was the case in 5-10 years time india could pretty much control every single board do what every their want with their players, fixtures what ever just because they fund, Support and pretty much develop the cricket in that nation now just like you say england does with Ireland.

But I suspect you think that will be wrong.

I suppose all the people objecting BCCI should shut up since they fund, Support and pretty much keep the sport alive and can do what ever they like.

The fact of the matter is, without the ECB and English domestic cricket Ireland wouldn't be half the side they are now.

You've claimed that Ireland can't get games because of the ECBs control of broadcasting rights. Aside from one example, you've not actually proved that to be the case.

The ECB deal has handed Irish cricket a guarenteed additional income, something that they would not have had without it.

A fair few English fans are fed up of hearing the, "poor old Ireland" story. Let's see them put out a side that has not benefited from English cricket and be competitive with it before they, or anyone else has the gall to blame the ECB for Irish cricket's lack of development.

Good point TBH ireland CEo have always said england have helped them a lot although they do want more games against full nations.
i don't really have big prove but what I heard is that their lost games because of tv rights.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthre ... p=66221243
this is the biggest prove I can find.
I generally been making this point for a long time and I have had confirmation from it from people that follow ireland cricket that it happens.
All I said is if Ireland wants to qualify automatically they need more games and in the past teams have used tv rights issues to not play them so obviously that need to be fixed for ireland to get more games.

That tweet doesn't say anything really.

Ireland have always been a complete red herring, they have pulled off the odd good ODI and T20 result, but their so called "success" has been against their fellow assosiate sides, none of whom are remotely near the class of a decent Test side.

This whole TV rights argument seems to be very spurious. The fact of the matter is the larger Test nations have little interest in playing Ireland unless it is as a warm up before playing England. Since Ireland do not have a proper first class system, unless a game is an offical international fixture, they actually can't get their players to play in a warm up anyway.

People should stop banging on about Ireland becoming a Test nation. If Ireland were to be granted full member status, suddenly none of their players could play in England. It would be rather amusing to see Ireland having to develop their players on their own.

At the end of the day, I'm fed up of hearing about Irish cricket. If Ireland want to progress then they need to start by getting their domestic game in order. That is something they have full control over.

With out the ECB and English counties, Irish cricket wouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Test cricket. People seem to love to take a pop at England for stopping Ireland's Test ambitions but it's ridiculous. When Ireland have developed and maintained their own team, just like ever other Test nation does, then let's have a talk about them moving up to play with the big boys. At present they are nothing more than freeloaders.

[Durhamfootman]

Sanga breaking more records. Most dismissals by a keeper is the latest.

[GarlicJam]

Sanga breaking more records. Most dismissals by a keeper is the latest.

A true champion.

[Aidan11]

If you have the stomach to read it, here is Paul Downton speaking to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... ascos.html

[Alviro Patterson]

If you have the stomach to read it, here is Paul Downton speaking to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... ascos.html

Decent interview that

Downton highlights the positives what has happened in the last 12 month, in which plenty of encouragement can be taken after a turbulent Ashes. Offers a reasonable explanation on backing Alastair Cook as ODI skipper for his previous form and how the test team rallied against India. Most importantly gives glowing references to the players who have stepped up to the plate in those turbulent times.

Overall recent results might not be favourable, but it's only a matter of the time before Team England galvanise and get back to where they were between 2009 and 2011.

[GarlicJam]

I have long thought - and I know I ahven't been alone in these thoughts - that the cricket commentary in Aus, Channel Nine mainly, has been declining rapidly.

This http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/feb/13/channel-nine-destroying-cricket-legacy?CMP=share_btn_fb by Geoff Lemon (never heard of him, but I now like him) sums up my feelings very well - and even adds to this. A great read, and I am only halfway through.

[Arthur Crabtree]

It's got a lot of response.

[rich1uk]

great article and just sums up perfectly why ex-players no matter how good they were as players don't necessarily make good commentators

a bit of banter in the commentary box isn't a problem but as that article said on channel 9 its really became a sideshow to the cricket rather than there to enhance what we are watching

[Gingerfinch]

I don't listen to them much, but Nicholas has to be the most annoying cringeworthy commentator in any sport. he's brought a whole new meaning to the word a..elicker.

[Arthur Crabtree]

That article says Nicholas is a good print journalist. Going on his stuff on cricinfo, he's among the worst I've read. His articles are incoherent, like he is expecting someone to sub it into shape for him.

Funny that the banter thing works on the radio. But it depends on the cricket still being the focus. And who is doing the banter.