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Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:32 pm
by budgetmeansbudget
Making_Splinters wrote:We saw a similar thing when shoulder pads were first coming into age group rugby. Lots of lads wound up getting injured because they'd go in for bigger hits thinking the pads would protect them, we banned them at age group at the club I coach and we saw the number of injuries going down.

It's not a direct analogy with helmets in cricket as there is no question that helmets do protect players, but does serve to highlight the change in mentality that protection brings. In cricket it is more a change in instinct, when your not wearing a helmet your first instinct to get out of the way of a short ball and make damn sure you keep your eyes on it. As helmets have become common place that instinct dulls and you see a lot more batsmen ducking out of the way turning their head away from the ball. This year we've seen Kieswetter have his eye socket fractured, Broad have his face rearranged and Shazad have his skull fractured. None anywhere near to the tragedy that has happened in Australia with Hughes but a distinct trend.

If you look back the players facing the likes of Thommo and the Windies, they rarely went for the hook unless the ball was in the perfect position. Modern players tend to try and play the short ball rather than rocking out of the way.

Just have to look at the guy in your avatar, no helmet, no arm guards, chest guards or thigh pads, just a thin pair of pads and some spiky rubber covered gloves and a copy of the sun in his trousers!

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:44 pm
by Making_Splinters
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Just have to look at the guy in your avatar, no helmet, no arm guards, chest guards or thigh pads, just a thin pair of pads and some spiky rubber covered gloves and a copy of the sun in his trousers!


I'll let you off describing the mighty DA as the "guy". The best English opener I've seen.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:07 pm
by budgetmeansbudget
Making_Splinters wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Just have to look at the guy in your avatar, no helmet, no arm guards, chest guards or thigh pads, just a thin pair of pads and some spiky rubber covered gloves and a copy of the sun in his trousers!


I'll let you off describing the mighty DA as the "guy". The best English opener I've seen.

Dennis Amiss?

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:14 pm
by Making_Splinters
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Just have to look at the guy in your avatar, no helmet, no arm guards, chest guards or thigh pads, just a thin pair of pads and some spiky rubber covered gloves and a copy of the sun in his trousers!


I'll let you off describing the mighty DA as the "guy". The best English opener I've seen.

Dennis Amiss?


The very same.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:24 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
Looks like someone from the 1930s.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:42 pm
by SaintPowelly
Can you imagine the reaction if it had of been a beamer that hit Hughes.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:00 pm
by Making_Splinters
SaintPowelly wrote:Can you imagine the reaction if it had of been a beamer that hit Hughes.


Sean Abbott isn't Roy Gilchrist.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:26 pm
by budgetmeansbudget
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Looks like someone from the 1930s.

That's what I thought!

Ironically Amiss was apparently one of the first cricketers to ever wear a helmet.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:30 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
Yes! Superb memory you have!

I remember Brearley's proto protection. The idea of a helmet was so shocking it had to be hidden under his cap.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:43 pm
by Making_Splinters
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Looks like someone from the 1930s.

That's what I thought!

Ironically Amiss was apparently one of the first cricketers to ever wear a helmet.


People started wearing them in WSC, England were the first team to take the idea seriously as they tried to come up with a way to deal Thommo is the 74/75 Ashes before someone pointed out that it would probably make matters worse!

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:52 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
Amiss went to WSC didn't he?

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:59 pm
by Making_Splinters
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Amiss went to WSC didn't he?


Yes

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:01 am
by KipperJohn
Making_Splinters wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Looks like someone from the 1930s.

That's what I thought!

Ironically Amiss was apparently one of the first cricketers to ever wear a helmet.


People started wearing them in WSC, England were the first team to take the idea seriously as they tried to come up with a way to deal Thommo is the 74/75 Ashes before someone pointed out that it would probably make matters worse!


Cowdrey was 42 when he went out to play that series. Tommo said later he was the only English batsman to get behind the line of the ball and play straight. Getting in the right position to play or leave the ball should be one of the most fundamental of a batsman's techniques, taught at an early age. Sometimes they are too busy being inventive they forget the basics of batting. Balance, footwork, keeping the eyes on the ball and playing or leaving on both sides of the wicket.

The helmet should be worn on the basis that it's positively the last line of defence, after all the batsman's skills have been defeated.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:12 am
by Arthur Crabtree
Wasn't an Indian batter killed after a blow to the head in the fifties? Injuries happened before helmets. It feels a real leap of faith to presume that protection is making the game more dangerous. The idea that they make the players take chances is very persuasive, but if true, maybe that genie isn't going to go back into that bottle. Batters aren't going to stop wearing helmets. Hopefully, protection will improve. More than hopefully, Hughes will get better. The idea that less protection means fewer injuries is too counter-intuitive, given life depends on it. The T20 industry too depends on the kinds of unorthodoxy that would die out without the helmet. And the players won't have that.

Re: I'm an Oz cricketer, get me to a hospital!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:14 am
by Arthur Crabtree
No reaction to my fears for close catchers. But that's a huge concern for me. I wonder if batters ethically agree to try and avoid hitting them?