The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[D/L]

The IPL clashes with the English home season, not with the West Indian home season or the Sri Lankan one. They aren't fighting a battle, they are playing Tests when they can. If the IPL was held in October, we would be able to accommodate it easily. But it isn't and the ECB have to protect the English game, they can't reduce the number of home internationals for the IPL.

It clashed with the West Indies, Sri Lankan and New Zealand team selection, when those teams were 'invited' to take part in tours of England that started in the first week of May. That is where the West Indies' problems with Gayle started, and that was at the heart of some of the disputes SLC had with their star players. Now, NZ, SL and WI have learnt to allow their players to play in the IPL and skip any tour of England in May. That is why Gayle is back in the fold, and maybe it might be a good idea for England to consider doing the same to avoid any more fallout in future.

With the West Indies and, to a lesser extent, New Zealand and Sri Lanka, what is the difference between a full strength team and one weakened by IPL commitments anyway? If there is any, it will hardly affect TV or live viewing audiences in England (or the revenues earned by the national boards of the touring teams).

The ECB know this and will continue to maintain their stance.

The IPL feeds off test cricket in order to survive. It needs a constant supply of world famous cricketers. Only test cricket can provide them. Anyone who wants to earn top dollar in IPL will have to first make sure they've become famous in test cricket, a significant part of which includes playing in England in early summer.

[braveneutral]

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KP is an rolemodel to civil rights activists. Discuss.

[Durhamfootman]

This thread is dead.

KP is an rolemodel to civil rights activists. Discuss.

only if Wikileaks publishes the texts from KP to Julien Assange in which he points out the best line to bowl to William Hague. Of course that will probably prove to be rubbish because KP is unlikely know whether Assange will bowl right or left handed from behind the curtains. It might explain why Hague felt the need to send 40,000 coppers into the Ecuadorian embassy. Clearly an over reaction..... one person with a set of binoculars could have found that out for him.

[braveneutral]

KP wouldn't be able to pick that Assange is a wrong 'un anyway.

[hopeforthebest]

This thread is dead.

KP is an rolemodel to civil rights activists. Discuss.

only if Wikileaks publishes the texts from KP to Julien Assange in which he points out the best line to bowl to William Hague. Of course that will probably prove to be rubbish because KP is unlikely know whether Assange will bowl right or left handed from behind the curtains. It might explain why Hague felt the need to send 40,000 coppers into the Ecuadorian embassy. Clearly an over reaction..... one person with a set of binoculars could have found that out for him.

Pietersen maybe moving into the IPL embassy any day now.

[Alviro Patterson]

A couple of South African born cricketers sharing a happier moment with their paws on the urn...

Strauss is thinking : 'So glad I stuck by you'
while KP is Thinking : 'Smile now you doos, but when SA get to england, i'll get revenge for taking my job'

Strauss: England wouldn't be No1 if KP was still captain, think i'll censor his face by holding the stick appropriately
KP: Enjoy it while it lasts Straussy, i'll be back to take your captaincy, Broady is with me.
Bresnan: It's just one talented team replacing another talented team in the No1 test rankings
Broad: Sick of being in the same team as KP, if only I could oust him
Prior: Don't like all this attention

[Making_Splinters]

With KP out of the T20 World Cup side and his international summer over hopefully the press will get bored of the story now or they may end up looking like crossing the line between reporting and simply trouble making.

The long and the short of it is if KP does not get a new central contract his England career is finished a he's not going to be able to play cricket in England baring him making fairly huge concessions on his wages.

Flower's interview was fairly insightful on the whole matter, it's not over for KP but the end is certainly in sight unless he's prepared to swallow every ounce of pride he has, get down on his hands and knees and say yes to what ever is asked of him, that's a tough pill for anyone to swallow but on the plus side if we do see him again for England it will mean that things will have been cleared up once and for all.

[OffStumpYorker]

Maybe England and South Africa could play each other for the burning remnants of KPs ego when he's dropped from his IPL side next year having not played any professional cricket for 9 months? Go up like the Hindenburg, it will.

And I'll bump this post when KP is retained by DD and rivals Dhoni in sponsorship next year.

What's England's loss will be the IPL's gain....

I wouldn't worry about what KP does between now and the IPL. If England don't want him, I'm willing to bet a team in the Big Bash League in Australia will take him on board for the months of December and January. Then, come February or March, he can warm up for the IPL by playing some T20 matches in Bangladesh and South Africa.

A purse of 1.3 million to play an entire season of the IPL will ensure KP is fit and ready to play....

Assuming the ECB grant him an NoC to play in the IPL that is.

[OffStumpYorker]

With KP out of the T20 World Cup side and his international summer over hopefully the press will get bored of the story now or they may end up looking like crossing the line between reporting and simply trouble making.

The long and the short of it is if KP does not get a new central contract his England career is finished a he's not going to be able to play cricket in England baring him making fairly huge concessions on his wages.

Flower's interview was fairly insightful on the whole matter, it's not over for KP but the end is certainly in sight unless he's prepared to swallow every ounce of pride he has, get down on his hands and knees and say yes to what ever is asked of him, that's a tough pill for anyone to swallow but on the plus side if we do see him again for England it will mean that things will have been cleared up once and for all.

Are you referening to the Flower Interview on Cricinfo M_S, as that was very insightful (amid the Hyperbole of Dobell), also is seems that the ECB have requested details of the texts that were sent so they can sort out rumour from fact, which has to be good news as if there is no incrimination evidence about texting tactics and advising how to get specific players out, we may see things resolved a bit quicker.

I wa speaking to a friend in the Telecoms industry, and what a lot of people dont realise is that that even though a text is deleted from a Phone it still exists on a central server for a period of time in case law-enforcement offices need to access the details in a criminal case, or the owner of the phone needs to prove something.

[mikesiva]

The IPL clashes with the English home season, not with the West Indian home season or the Sri Lankan one. They aren't fighting a battle, they are playing Tests when they can. If the IPL was held in October, we would be able to accommodate it easily. But it isn't and the ECB have to protect the English game, they can't reduce the number of home internationals for the IPL.

It clashed with the West Indies, Sri Lankan and New Zealand team selection, when those teams were 'invited' to take part in tours of England that started in the first week of May. That is where the West Indies' problems with Gayle started, and that was at the heart of some of the disputes SLC had with their star players. Now, NZ, SL and WI have learnt to allow their players to play in the IPL and skip any tour of England in May. That is why Gayle is back in the fold, and maybe it might be a good idea for England to consider doing the same to avoid any more fallout in future.

With the West Indies and, to a lesser extent, New Zealand and Sri Lanka, what is the difference between a full strength team and one weakened by IPL commitments anyway? If there is any, it will hardly affect TV or live viewing audiences in England (or the revenues earned by the national boards of the touring teams).

The ECB know this and will continue to maintain their stance.

The IPL feeds off test cricket in order to survive. It needs a constant supply of world famous cricketers. Only test cricket can provide them. Anyone who wants to earn top dollar in IPL will have to first make sure they've become famous in test cricket, a significant part of which includes playing in England in early summer.

Well, KP is already famous from playing Test cricket, and would not have to play for England next summer to maintain that level of fame....

He is 32, after all, and maybe only has a few more years left in him, so he's looking to earn as much as he can from his remaining years in cricket.

England can continue to maintain their stance, but if any other players come to the attention of the IPL, we could see this saga being replayed again, and if it is, then in the long run, the only team getting weaker from it would be England....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-s ... 78708.html

"Andy Flower, the England team director, has defended England's handling of Kevin Pietersen and suggested that the player's desire to appear in a whole season of the IPL proved to be the catalyst that destabilised his relationship with his team-mates and the ECB. Flower, speaking for the first time since Pietersen was omitted from the final Test against South Africa, admitted that batsman may never play for England again, but insisted that the team could retain their No.1 Test ranking even without the man many consider to be their best player. Flower also joined those calling for a window in the international schedule for the IPL, though he conceded there was little realistic hope of that at present."


I think Flower's call for a window for the IPL offers a way to avoid this mess again....

[OffStumpYorker]

The IPL clashes with the English home season, not with the West Indian home season or the Sri Lankan one. They aren't fighting a battle, they are playing Tests when they can. If the IPL was held in October, we would be able to accommodate it easily. But it isn't and the ECB have to protect the English game, they can't reduce the number of home internationals for the IPL.

It clashed with the West Indies, Sri Lankan and New Zealand team selection, when those teams were 'invited' to take part in tours of England that started in the first week of May. That is where the West Indies' problems with Gayle started, and that was at the heart of some of the disputes SLC had with their star players. Now, NZ, SL and WI have learnt to allow their players to play in the IPL and skip any tour of England in May. That is why Gayle is back in the fold, and maybe it might be a good idea for England to consider doing the same to avoid any more fallout in future.

With the West Indies and, to a lesser extent, New Zealand and Sri Lanka, what is the difference between a full strength team and one weakened by IPL commitments anyway? If there is any, it will hardly affect TV or live viewing audiences in England (or the revenues earned by the national boards of the touring teams).

The ECB know this and will continue to maintain their stance.

The IPL feeds off test cricket in order to survive. It needs a constant supply of world famous cricketers. Only test cricket can provide them. Anyone who wants to earn top dollar in IPL will have to first make sure they've become famous in test cricket, a significant part of which includes playing in England in early summer.

Well, KP is already famous from playing Test cricket, and would not have to play for England next summer to maintain that level of fame....

He is 32, after all, and maybe only has a few more years left in him, so he's looking to earn as much as he can from his remaining years in cricket.

England can continue to maintain their stance, but if any other players come to the attention of the IPL, we could see this saga being replayed again, and if it is, then in the long run, the only team getting weaker from it would be England....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-s ... 78708.html

"Andy Flower, the England team director, has defended England's handling of Kevin Pietersen and suggested that the player's desire to appear in a whole season of the IPL proved to be the catalyst that destabilised his relationship with his team-mates and the ECB. Flower, speaking for the first time since Pietersen was omitted from the final Test against South Africa, admitted that batsman may never play for England again, but insisted that the team could retain their No.1 Test ranking even without the man many consider to be their best player. Flower also joined those calling for a window in the international schedule for the IPL, though he conceded there was little realistic hope of that at present."


I think Flower's call for a window for the IPL offers a way to avoid this mess again....

any WHY cant the IPL be played in Mar/Apr instead of Apr/May/Jun, maybe if the IPL reduced its window then there would be some room for movement. Also what happens when the BBL or SLPL or BPL, start DEMANDING a window so they can have the best players.

There will be no time for International cricket so you mighty as well just stop playing the games, unless you think that 1 game series are the way to go.

[D/L]

The point is though, that the IPL needs an endless supply of famous cricketers and that fame is achieved largely through test cricket.

The ECB reward their players sufficiently to minimise the number of their players unavailable for test cricket in the early summer due to playing in the IPL. As long as test cricket in the early summer brings in the revenues it does, they will continue to be able to do so.

The only England players playing in the IPL will be those past their sell by date for test and ODI cricket, those allowed to play for part of it and the odd renegade, like Pietersen.

[Kim]

There simply isnt room for a window. Thats the simple, but key point.

[Making_Splinters]

The window talk is a complete red herring, the BCCI don't want a window nor is it feasible in any way shape or form.

[rich1uk]

The window talk is a complete red herring, the BCCI don't want a window nor is it feasible in any way shape or form.

exactly , the BCCI know if a window is agreed under the auspices of the ICC it will restrict their ability to expand the competition in future if that emerges as a realisitic option