The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Arthur Crabtree]

I find your ' I am a smooth man whilst my brother is a hairy man' attitude, somewhat insulting.

I wouldn't mind knowing what that means though!

[hopeforthebest]

I find your ' I am a smooth man whilst my brother is a hairy man' attitude, somewhat insulting.

I wouldn't mind knowing what that means though!

It's just my memory of the following:

Jacob answered his mother Rebekah, "Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man and I am a smooth man. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

or my source from Beyond the fringe:

Alan Bennett as falsetto-voiced vicar, in "Take a Pew": "But my brother Esau is an hairy man, and I am a smooth man." (Quoting Genesis 27:11);

I believe the smooth man considers himself superior to the hairy man.

In the same sketch he also went on:

Life, you know, is rather like opening a tin of sardines: We are all of us looking for the key. ... But, you know, there's always a little bit in the corner you can't get out.

[Arthur Crabtree]

OK. Don't consider myself better than anyone else. Just the opposite. I'm only defending my opinion. I generally only bridle on this site when i feel I'm being patronised. Which does happen. I can be quite pompous, which probably is annoying. But I'll try and check my posts for signs of superciliousness.

Sorry again.

[braveneutral]

I don't think that anyone should see themselves as a better or indeed lesser poster than any other. There will always be disagreements but that is the whole point surely!

[Arthur Crabtree]

Many have been pretty trenchant on this thread!

[Arthur Crabtree]

I don't think that anyone should see themselves as a better or indeed lesser poster than any other.

Abraham Lincoln?

[braveneutral]

Many have been pretty trenchant on this thread!

I had noticed!

[OffStumpYorker]

OK. Don't consider myself better than anyone else. Just the opposite. I'm only defending my opinion. I generally only bridle on this site when i feel I'm being patronised. Which does happen. I can be quite pompous, which probably is annoying. But I'll try and check my posts for signs of superciliousness.

Sorry again.

I wouldnt say that, you have strong opinions as do we all, and the point of discussions is to air those opinions and re-evaluate a stance and either start to move towards a middle ground, or stick dogmatically to the starting position.

Personally some of the posting have had me soften my views on the KP situation as they have largely been intelligent logical counter arguments.

[Dilbert]

There will always be disagreements but that is the whole point surely!

I dont agree with that !

[D/L]

It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.

Not really. The content of the interview is far more revealing than when it was made (only two or three weeks before the Youtube volte-face?). The reporting of it serves a purpose - helping people form an opinion about Pietersen's credibility.

Really now, D/L.

if your Boss says you're fired does the fact he once said you're hired damage his credibility?

Seeing as KP made almost exactly the same comments in the press at the same time that interview was taken, had done so many times in the past before that and had even tried to get out of international commitments to play in the IPL fairly clearly demonstrate his opinions and thought processes about the IPL.

Since then he's realised that it's either tow the rope or go away which makes all his opinions about the IPL irrelevant.

Really now, M_S.

Hiring and firing are usually more than a few days apart and are reactions to changed and a usually more complex set of circumstances. Pietersen’s volte-face cannot be explained away or justified in that fashion and it is this that will raise reasonable doubts about his sincerity.

Assuming Pietersen has been quoted verbatim in the interview, it is not simply what he said, but the manner in which he said it that is revealing. The tone was almost contemptuous of his recent ECB commitments…

"Hey, a game called off in Leeds or 35 degrees on a beach in Portugal? It's a no-brainer."

"...but IPL and Twenty20 cricket is a matter of fact now. Every board has accepted it apart from the ECB, unfortunately..."

Hopefully, the ECB, in any future dealings with Pietersen, will bear in mind his volatility / capriciousness, call it what you will – some would use a stronger description.

[hopeforthebest]

I've just heard this interview Flower gave to Allison Mitchel for the first time and although it essentially repeats some of earlier statements it does highlight Flower's attitude to KP is a pretty hard one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19330249

[Making_Splinters]

It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.

Not really. The content of the interview is far more revealing than when it was made (only two or three weeks before the Youtube volte-face?). The reporting of it serves a purpose - helping people form an opinion about Pietersen's credibility.

Really now, D/L.

if your Boss says you're fired does the fact he once said you're hired damage his credibility?

Seeing as KP made almost exactly the same comments in the press at the same time that interview was taken, had done so many times in the past before that and had even tried to get out of international commitments to play in the IPL fairly clearly demonstrate his opinions and thought processes about the IPL.

Since then he's realised that it's either tow the rope or go away which makes all his opinions about the IPL irrelevant.

Really now, M_S.

Hiring and firing are usually more than a few days apart and are reactions to changed and a usually more complex set of circumstances. Pietersen’s volte-face cannot be explained away or justified in that fashion and it is this that will raise reasonable doubts about his sincerity.

Doubts about the sincerity of what D/L?

And this interview was given weeks - not days - before and does nothing more than reiterate what the player has said numerous times before and shown with his actions to be his opinions on the IPL and England, in short it's nothing new or unknown or even given in actual context.

Either way their all meeting up on Saturday.

[D/L]

I've just heard this interview Flower gave to Allison Mitchel for the first time and although it essentially repeats some of earlier statements it does highlight Flower's attitude to KP is a pretty hard one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19330249

Also a fine example of engaging brain before putting mouth in gear there, hftb. Some could learn from that!

[D/L]

It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.

Not really. The content of the interview is far more revealing than when it was made (only two or three weeks before the Youtube volte-face?). The reporting of it serves a purpose - helping people form an opinion about Pietersen's credibility.

Really now, D/L.

if your Boss says you're fired does the fact he once said you're hired damage his credibility?

Seeing as KP made almost exactly the same comments in the press at the same time that interview was taken, had done so many times in the past before that and had even tried to get out of international commitments to play in the IPL fairly clearly demonstrate his opinions and thought processes about the IPL.

Since then he's realised that it's either tow the rope or go away which makes all his opinions about the IPL irrelevant.

Really now, M_S.

Hiring and firing are usually more than a few days apart and are reactions to changed and a usually more complex set of circumstances. Pietersen’s volte-face cannot be explained away or justified in that fashion and it is this that will raise reasonable doubts about his sincerity.

Doubts about the sincerity of what D/L?

And this interview was given weeks - not days - before and does nothing more than reiterate what the player has said numerous times before and shown with his actions to be his opinions on the IPL and England, in short it's nothing new or unknown or even given in actual context...

The sincerity of someone who expresses two diametrically opposed viewpoints within a short space of time, M_S.

It is the choice of words in the interview that brings something new to the issue.

[Making_Splinters]

Doubts about the sincerity of what D/L?

And this interview was given weeks - not days - before and does nothing more than reiterate what the player has said numerous times before and shown with his actions to be his opinions on the IPL and England, in short it's nothing new or unknown or even given in actual context...

The sincerity of someone who expresses two diametrically opposed viewpoints within a short space of time, M_S.

It is the choice of words in the interview that brings something new to the issue.

Which diametrically opposed view points, D/L?

And how is the choice of words new?