The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Robert]

not at all

the criticism of KP has been done behind a banner of "team unity" and things like this just show the hypocrisy of that stance

Politely expressing a personal view slightly at variance with the opinion of others, years after the "target" has retired?

[rich1uk]

not at all

the criticism of KP has been done behind a banner of "team unity" and things like this just show the hypocrisy of that stance

Politely expressing a personal view sightly at variance with the opinion of others, years after the "target" has retired.

wrong point robert , i was referring to the twitter account and the links to broad and others

i have not seen what anderson may or may not have said about vaughan and have not commented on it

[D/L]

“Team unity” was just one of the reasons put forward for the action taken against Pietersen. Clearly, another would be the unacceptability of his behaviour.

[hopeforthebest]

Pietersen is a 'high maintenance' member of the quad. In the WI on the first tour after he lost the captaincy, he was moaning to the press about the tour being too long and that he was homesick and during the last ashes tour he was complaining that the wives should be allowed out sooner. Such players are a pain and there comes a time when you have to decide if they are worth all the trouble they bring with them. This is that time for KP.

[yorker_129-7]

or does basic common sense and probability not apply ?

With the sort of accusations you're making you would need substantially more than "common sense and probability". Not that your postings display a great deal of that. It could well be this Richard Bailey simply said "By the way, there's this hilarious new Twitter account which is parodying KP" and Broad followed it because, maybe, he's a human and has a sense of humour? Sounds probable to me. Some would say quite likely. Don't forget that around the time this account was set up Broad and KP would not have seen a great deal of each other, as it was started during that long period between the test series as I recall. And as hopeforthebest says, nothing on there touched on anything I, as someone who only follows cricket from a distance, did not already know about or suspect was the case.

Common sense would dictate you don't actually comment on the tweets unless you were following the account on Twitter and had read them, which by the sounds of what you've written thus far you can't have done else you'd know these things.

[yorker_129-7]

"Unfortunately, despite our cordiality now, I didn't enjoy Vaughan as a captain," Anderson, 30, said.

I see what you mean sussex, that statement is outrageous, get out the birch.

KPs comments about Knight weren't just cause for corporal punishment either.

Hey, i've reentered this discussion!

There is, surely, a difference between seriously insulting someone who is still working in that capacity for a large broadcasting network who basically bankroll English cricket and making a comment to a journalist that an ex-cricketer didn't do things the way you would have wanted to do them when he was captain over 4 years ago?

[yorker_129-7]

I'm not a tweeter so anyone who is and followed this guy has me at a disadvantage but I did see a number of those tweets published on BBC website and they seemed pretty innocuous and could have been concocted by anyone on this thread without any inside information.

I saw the same and followed the account, and the selected tweets pretty much painted the picture. It played on a characteristic of Pietersens personality which is laid bare for everyone to see, namely that he's a showman who comes across as having an inflated ego and who loves playing in the IPL. To be honest I could have come up with that a year ago. And most of the tweets seemed to be written by someone who didn't stand far removed from where I was. I would be very surprised if any England player was involved in the actual creation or material posted to the account, none of these guys are stupid and they'd have been fully aware of the repercussions. I suspect any involvement didn't stretch beyond the following.

"Yes, that sounds like a hilarious idea. Fancy another beer?"
"This looks pretty amusing." *Clicks "Follow"*

[rich1uk]

or does basic common sense and probability not apply ?

Not that your postings display a great deal of that.

and its comments like this which are why i have almost stopped posting on this site

posters are more interested in trying to score points and insult other posters than actually debate the subject

just because people are generally polite on this site doesn't mean we dont see as much trolling and wumming as we ever did on the old 606

[Arthur Crabtree]

You seem to be doing at least as much guessing as you are suggesting others are yorker.

[yorker_129-7]

or does basic common sense and probability not apply ?

Not that your postings display a great deal of that.

and its comments like this which are why i have almost stopped posting on this site

posters are more interested in trying to score points and insult other posters than actually debate the subject

just because people are generally polite on this site doesn't mean we dont see as much trolling and wumming as we ever did on the old 606

If Stuart Broad has said he wasn't involved, Richard Bailey has said Stuart Broad wasn't involved and there's no proof anywhere that Stuart Broad was involved which is anything better than vaguely circumstantial, wouldn't common sense dictate that he probably had nothing to do with it?

Just a thought.

[Arthur Crabtree]

"Unfortunately, despite our cordiality now, I didn't enjoy Vaughan as a captain," Anderson, 30, said.

I see what you mean sussex, that statement is outrageous, get out the birch.

KPs comments about Knight weren't just cause for corporal punishment either.

Hey, i've reentered this discussion!

There is, surely, a difference between seriously insulting someone who is still working in that capacity for a large broadcasting network who basically bankroll English cricket and making a comment to a journalist that an ex-cricketer didn't do things the way you would have wanted to do them when he was captain over 4 years ago?

I think there's world of difference between KPs cheeky and naive candour, and Anderson's utterly chilling Pinteresque understatement. If I was Vaughan, I'd be getting as much of it down on paper as possible and posting it to a relative.

I don't really see anything wrong in what either has said though, really. The ECB response to KP has placed them in a difficult position for any future comments made by players.

[GGAS]

You seem to be doing at least as much guessing as you are suggesting others are yorker.

[yorker_129-7]

You seem to be doing at least as much guessing as you are suggesting others are yorker.

I'm afraid you'll need to provide examples of that. There's also a vast difference in the level of guessing between "this is probably what happened" and "I imagine Stuart Broad is a liar".

[Arthur Crabtree]

It's hardly vaguely circumstantial though!

Both sides are resorting to conjecture at times in this discussion. I think it's reasonable to admit that.

[shankycricket]

This England team is turning into an epic mess and an utter joke. The double standards are pi$$ing the crap out of me.

Not really surprised to see the "insightful", "unbiased" and "nonprejudicial" posting from the usual suspects on this thread as always.