Arthur Crabtree wrote:Not sure England have a good batter. Buttler potentially. I'd pick Bell, because he's doing better than others. Root's recent ton has obscured a generally poor record. Morgan has struggled since they stopped bowling at his legs and may go after the WC (or may be captain). I wonder if Bell will play after the WC? KP and Trott have gone. Then there's Cook...
Currently,fancifully: Bell, Hales, Moeen, Taylor, Morgan, Buttler, Patel, Broad, Tredwell, Finn, Anderson.
Root, Willey, Stokes, Lumb.
hopeforthebest wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:Alviro Patterson wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.
Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.
England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.
I would not put Harry,Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.
As Splinters often reminds us, we rarely pick players who are true ODI specialists. We stick to the idea that good test players can transfer their talents to ODI games. This maybe true in some cases but it limits the choices of the selectors.
Arthur Crabtree wrote:A better side back then though.
clubcricketeradi wrote:Alviro Patterson wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.
Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.
England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.
I would not put Harry, Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.
Alviro Patterson wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:Alviro Patterson wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.
Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.
England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.
I would not put Harry, Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.
Emerging international players a more accurate term, making a combined 115 ODI appearances. Whereas the top class Indian players have made a combined 700+ appearances.
White ball specialist players are hard to come by in England, purely because the prestige of the County Championship and players wanting to make it as a test cricketer. If England are to make it as a limited overs international side it's going have to take a huge overhaul, from grassroots cricket to the top.
clubcricketeradi wrote:
It is just not the last 5 years or inexperienced players i am considering. In the last 25 years period there are hardly any English batsmen who can be considered as great in ODI format. Actually it is tough even to name excellent ODI batsmen who have represented England.
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