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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:02 pm

shankybiggestengfan wrote:
Iamthewalrus wrote:I get the impression that Bresnan and KP are like chalk and cheese.

Yep, one is a truly world class player, the other is a decent player.


KP is sometimes a world class player but too often a clown.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby shankycricket » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:04 pm

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Iamthewalrus wrote:I get the impression that Bresnan and KP are like chalk and cheese.

Yep, one is a truly world class player, the other is a decent player.


I wouldn't say Bresnan is world class quite yet!

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:16 pm

A world class player? My definition of such a player would be one who would be chosen to represent the planet, the best player in his position, 1 to 11. Pietersen has yet to reach a point in his career where he has been the best 3, 4 or 5.

He could be picked though, confident in the knowledge that the vernacular of Afrikaans, or any language spoken on planet Earth, would not be understood by our opponents.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:32 pm

shankybiggestengfan wrote:The argument that the absence of DRS somehow precludes KP from selection is about as ludicrous as it can get.

Who said that? They are two separate issues. Why connect them? What strange logic.

Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby from_the_stands » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:05 pm

D/L wrote:A world class player? My definition of such a player would be one who would be chosen to represent the planet, the best player in his position, 1 to 11. Pietersen has yet to reach a point in his career where he has been the best 3, 4 or 5.

He could be picked though, confident in the knowledge that the vernacular of Afrikaans, or any language spoken on planet Earth, would not be understood by our opponents.


Not necessarily. If the United Federation of Planets held an intergalatic T20 competiton (for which the ICC would be abligated to create a window for), then I'm sure that a team from Vulcan would consider it logical to be wearing universal translators! A team from the Ferengi homeworld would do the same thing, but would probably have traded the universal translators for latinum, probably. ;)
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:08 pm

D/L wrote:
Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.

D/L this is too much, stop, please.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Dilbert » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:09 pm

D/L wrote:
shankybiggestengfan wrote:The argument that the absence of DRS somehow precludes KP from selection is about as ludicrous as it can get.

Who said that? They are two separate issues. Why connect them? What strange logic.

Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.


Meh, I wouldnt put too much emphasis on expert opinions on CMS. One keeps saying repeatedly that he doesnt mock others out here but we all know what he does and what he says is, shall we say, chalk and cheese?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:30 pm

ddb wrote:
D/L wrote:
Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.

D/L this is too much, stop, please.

I assume a similar admonition (though why one was needed for describing a view as "ludicrous", I fail to see) has gone to the other party (actually, the first one to express the view in this exchange), though I have to say I have not yet seen it, ddb.

I'm sure there is no deliberate intention not to be even-handed.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:36 pm

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D/L wrote:A world class player? My definition of such a player would be one who would be chosen to represent the planet, the best player in his position, 1 to 11. Pietersen has yet to reach a point in his career where he has been the best 3, 4 or 5.

He could be picked though, confident in the knowledge that the vernacular of Afrikaans, or any language spoken on planet Earth, would not be understood by our opponents.


Not necessarily. If the United Federation of Planets held an intergalatic T20 competiton (for which the ICC would be abligated to create a window for), then I'm sure that a team from Vulcan would consider it logical to be wearing universal translators! A team from the Ferengi homeworld would do the same thing, but would probably have traded the universal translators for latinum, probably. ;)

Dang! Completely missed that, f_t_s.

Also, I seem to remember the Klingons had no trouble conversing with us, even in situations far less friendly than a game of cricket.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:52 pm

D/L wrote:
ddb wrote:
D/L wrote:
Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.

D/L this is too much, stop, please.

I assume a similar admonition (though why one was needed for describing a view as "ludicrous", I fail to see) has gone to the other party (actually, the first one to express the view in this exchange), though I have to say I have not yet seen it, ddb.

I'm sure there is no deliberate intention not to be even-handed.


It's persistent mocking of another poster.

And you don't need to see everything to know things have gone on, just like KP texts :)
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby KipperJohn » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:54 pm

This thread is now turning into a rather poorly knitted and oversized sweater.

Some have got the needle - others are in stitches.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:15 pm

ddb wrote:
D/L wrote:
ddb wrote:
D/L wrote:
Any road up, it wouldn't be as ludicrous as suggesting Onions could replace Bairstow and not "significantly weaken our batting" as one expert said recently.

D/L this is too much, stop, please.

I assume a similar admonition (though why one was needed for describing a view as "ludicrous", I fail to see) has gone to the other party (actually, the first one to express the view in this exchange), though I have to say I have not yet seen it, ddb.

I'm sure there is no deliberate intention not to be even-handed.


It's persistent mocking of another poster.

And you don't need to see everything to know things have gone on, just like KP texts :)

You may see it as such (and it is asking much for moderators to be perfectly impartial in all things), but it is a way of challenging the credibility of a view one sees as rather silly. Many people use it with impunity on this board.

It is little different to having a view, for example, in support of Bresnan, challenged because of the county he plays for. This too, may be seen as unfair, but I’ve not seen anyone admonished for it.

Surely, if one is to be consistent, a seemingly new policy of intervening in something so trivial is going to increase the workload of the moderators considerably.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby from_the_stands » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:19 pm

D/L wrote:
from_the_stands wrote:
D/L wrote:A world class player? My definition of such a player would be one who would be chosen to represent the planet, the best player in his position, 1 to 11. Pietersen has yet to reach a point in his career where he has been the best 3, 4 or 5.

He could be picked though, confident in the knowledge that the vernacular of Afrikaans, or any language spoken on planet Earth, would not be understood by our opponents.


Not necessarily. If the United Federation of Planets held an intergalatic T20 competiton (for which the ICC would be abligated to create a window for), then I'm sure that a team from Vulcan would consider it logical to be wearing universal translators! A team from the Ferengi homeworld would do the same thing, but would probably have traded the universal translators for latinum, probably. ;)

Dang! Completely missed that, f_t_s.

Also, I seem to remember the Klingons had no trouble conversing with us, even in situations far less friendly than a game of cricket.


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Dilbert » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:22 pm

Sheldon Cooper will definitely agree with you, FTS
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:24 pm

I suppose nobody would ever accuse the Daleks of ever bowling with anything other than a straight arm. They’d need some re-engineering of the suction cup on the end of it though to allow the release of the ball, I reckon.
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