The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Making_Splinters]

What happens in other countries or Pietersen’s playing record is neither here nor there.

Correct. The fact that another country chooses to do something a different way is irrelevant to the argument.

Not at all, it shows aside from the ECB saying this is the way it is that there is very little supporting the argument that a player has to play both formats or neither.

[Peter Lanky]

But why should he miss some series, when he is contracted, why didnt he miss the IPL instead ??

Agreed again.

What he is asking is similar to a person doing a normal 9-5 job saying that he doesn't want to work on Monday and Tuesday every week so he can do a foreigner instead.

[SaintPowelly]

The simple fact is that a player should be allowed to pick and choose which formats he wishes to play in. I dont agree that he should be allowed to pick and choose his ODIs. However, if he decides to give up ODIs altogether but still play T20, then I dont see why that should not be allowed as T20 is a different format.

I agree with this. Also, if KP wanted to say which series he wanted to play in, then that is a different thing from his asking the ECB to consider resting him from some series. Which given his age and miles on the clock they should be looking at anyway.

the miles on his clock, perhaps are down to flying to India to play cricket.

Its simple, the ECB allowed him to go to the IPL on the condition that it didnt affect any games that his central contract require him for, and he tried to back out.

[Making_Splinters]

His only obligation is England, instead he chooses to play in India and tell England to *modded* off, how is that right.

I don't think he was doing that. He was asking to miss some series. And then he asked to just play T20. And then he said he'd just play Tests. This reading seems unnecessarily partisan.

But why should he miss some series, when he is contracted, why didnt he miss the IPL instead ??

He's also contracted to the IPL of course which shoots a fairly large hole in that argument as does the fact that lots of players have retired from one format while being contracted to play all of them.

[SaintPowelly]

His only obligation is England, instead he chooses to play in India and tell England to *modded* off, how is that right.

I don't think he was doing that. He was asking to miss some series. And then he asked to just play T20. And then he said he'd just play Tests. This reading seems unnecessarily partisan.

But why should he miss some series, when he is contracted, why didnt he miss the IPL instead ??

He's also contracted to the IPL of course which shoots a fairly large hole in that argument as does the fact that lots of players have retired from one format while being contracted to play all of them.

Actually, he joined the auction for this season, after his central contract was signed, and he isnt allowed to play IPL without ECBs permission.

[Making_Splinters]

His only obligation is England, instead he chooses to play in India and tell England to *modded* off, how is that right.

I don't think he was doing that. He was asking to miss some series. And then he asked to just play T20. And then he said he'd just play Tests. This reading seems unnecessarily partisan.

But why should he miss some series, when he is contracted, why didnt he miss the IPL instead ??

He's also contracted to the IPL of course which shoots a fairly large hole in that argument as does the fact that lots of players have retired from one format while being contracted to play all of them.

Actually, he joined the auction for this season, after his central contract was signed, and he isnt allowed to play IPL without ECBs permission.

Yes, I've already pointed out that the ECB had to allow him to play in the IPL and did so knowing the international season that was coming up.

If you're going to say he shouldn't miss series because he is contracted then he also shouldn't miss the IPL because he is contracted, just pointing out the hypocrisy in your argument, then again there really isn't much point because expecting a 'true' Hampshire fan to have any semblence of balance with regards to KP is like asking a Lion about the merits of the vegetarian option at dinner.

[ddb]

His only obligation is England, instead he chooses to play in India and tell England to *modded* off, how is that right.

I don't think he was doing that. He was asking to miss some series. And then he asked to just play T20. And then he said he'd just play Tests. This reading seems unnecessarily partisan.

But why should he miss some series, when he is contracted, why didnt he miss the IPL instead ??

He's also contracted to the IPL of course which shoots a fairly large hole in that argument as does the fact that lots of players have retired from one format while being contracted to play all of them.

Actually, he joined the auction for this season, after his central contract was signed, and he isnt allowed to play IPL without ECBs permission.

Actually, he joined the auction in 2011.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'd probably prefer KP not to play IPL. But it's not realistic to stop the top players from going. Many others wanted to and didn't get picked. And others, who didn't go to the IPL have been rested. Not extending the same rights to KP feels like a punishment for going. It feels a very management thing to do. But it is not consistent or sensible.

[SaintPowelly]

But he wasnt contracted to the IPL, he signed a central contract in Sep 2011( I think ) which he verbally agreed to play all England games up until Sep 2012, after which the ECB allowed him to sign a IPL contract.

My disliking of KP has no relevance to this topic, if Stuart Broad was in the same position, I would criticise him too.

[SaintPowelly]

I'd probably prefer KP not to play IPL. But it's not realistic to stop the top players from going. Many others wanted to and didn't get picked. And others, who didn't go to the IPL have been rested. Not extending the same rights to KP feels like a punishment for going. It feels a very management thing to do. But it is not consistent or sensible.

There is a difference between the ECB deciding he needs a rest and him asking for time off though.

[shankycricket]

Yes, I've already pointed out that the ECB had to allow him to play in the IPL and did so knowing the international season that was coming up.

If you're going to say he shouldn't miss series because he is contracted then he also shouldn't miss the IPL because he is contracted, just pointing out the hypocrisy in your argument, then again there really isn't much point because expecting a 'true' Hampshire fan to have any semblence of balance with regards to KP is like asking a Lion about the merits of the vegetarian option at dinner.

[SaintPowelly]

Actually, he joined the auction in 2011.

The ECB have the right to withdraw their No Objection Certificate though, which im sure thye would have had they known he intended to not honour his contract.

[shankycricket]

I'd probably prefer KP not to play IPL. But it's not realistic to stop the top players from going. Many others wanted to and didn't get picked. And others, who didn't go to the IPL have been rested. Not extending the same rights to KP feels like a punishment for going. It feels a very management thing to do. But it is not consistent or sensible.

There is a difference between the ECB deciding he needs a rest and him asking for time off though.

I would have thought that a player knows more about his body and when he needs a rest rather than some idiotic administrators.

[Arthur Crabtree]

It wouldn't be the same if it was Broad. He isn't at the same time in his life or his career. It's not sensible to treat everyone the same. In five years time, Broad might be quite close to how KP feels now. Hopefully, he will meet with more understanding.

[ddb]

But he wasnt contracted to the IPL, he signed a central contract in Sep 2011( I think ) which he verbally agreed to play all England games up until Sep 2012, after which the ECB allowed him to sign a IPL contract.

He was contracted to DC for 3 years in 2011 so he was contracted. DD then bought him from DC in 2012.

Just stay with facts...