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Re: India the Future?

Postby greyblazer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:00 am

Pankaj looked ok in IPL but I'm not going to do the mistake of rating a bowler on the basis of IPL. Dinda runs in hard but seems to think that is his only job. At his pace and as he is very skiddy through the air he needs to swing the ball. Praveen is the best of the lot as he has the control over swing and seam. B.Kumar has the potential but is still a work on progress. He knows how to set up a batsman.

The other Kumar isn't as bad as what everyone thinks but someone should tell him bowling isn't about trying so many slower deliveries. In Oz in the onedayers when V.Kumar tried to bowl in the low 80's and looked to swing the ball he was just about ok. Pathan? needs to show that he can consistently swing the ball at decent pace again. I still haven't seen that. I haven't seen others to make a comment.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby meninblue » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:53 am

Abhishek Nayar is a better option instead of Yuvi,Jadeja,Rain,Rohit . He also offers the medium pace overs. Off course his stance is awkward as he appears just over stump height with a hugely bent stance, but he has the test match patience and big hundred and double hundreds in FC.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby Red Devil » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:36 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:Abhishek Nayar is a better option instead of Yuvi,Jadeja,Rain,Rohit . He also offers the medium pace overs. Off course his stance is awkward as he appears just over stump height with a hugely bent stance, but he has the test match patience and big hundred and double hundreds in FC.


Disagree - Jadeja has multiple triple centuries in FC cricket and Yuvi has often looked a completely different class when playing FC cricket. Nayar's bowling has always looked massively ordinary to me and he is NOT one of the best batsmen in India.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby Dilbert » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:44 pm

Agree with RD here. Nayars bowling looks mediocre even in the IPL.
His batting is ok, nothing great. Doesnt look technically correct, is suceptible against short stuff and also hangs his bat out to outgoing deliveries.

Lets just NOT talk about Sir Jadeja, shall we? A lot of people are still confused whether he is a batsman who can bowl or the other way round. He certainly cant bat at the intl level, and Ojha is a much better bowler than him. And someone needs to give him a decent haircut, pronto.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby greyblazer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:23 pm

On Junaid.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-pak ... 00038.html

I am posting it, just to show that a dead or track or not, it shouldn't matter much. Pak. bowlers bowl on tracks that have nothing in it for the quicks yet, look at how well they perform. Even in the last decade, they have produced Akthar, Asif, Ameer and now Junaid.

I do remember how Akthar sprinted in every ball and gave no respite to England's batsmen in 05/06 in Pakistan on some dead tracks. I haven't seen anyone bowl quick for long periods like Akthar did in that series. Attitude and the willingness to improve is the key.

From Banarje, Srinath to Pathan, Sharma, Praveen, Munaf and company, many have shown that they have the skills to succeed, but somewhere you have to question the attitude of most of the bowlers. Only Srinath and at his peak Zaheer can be counted as fine bowlers. Just like Freddie, Javs had that tendency to bang it a touch short, but definitely the best I have seen from India. I still remember him running in hard and giving nightmares to Atherton at Edgbaston '96 with a hostile spell of fast bowling. You ask any fast bowler and he will say; you need to sprint into the crease to bowl fast.

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Re: India the Future?

Postby meninblue » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:43 pm

Red Devil wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:Abhishek Nayar is a better option instead of Yuvi,Jadeja,Rain,Rohit . He also offers the medium pace overs. Off course his stance is awkward as he appears just over stump height with a hugely bent stance, but he has the test match patience and big hundred and double hundreds in FC.


Disagree - Jadeja has multiple triple centuries in FC cricket and Yuvi has often looked a completely different class when playing FC cricket. Nayar's bowling has always looked massively ordinary to me and he is NOT one of the best batsmen in India.


Okay. However, i feel we cannot write of Nayar unless he fails like the rest of them have at international level as batters.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby greyblazer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:34 pm

You can't say Yuv. and Raina have been failures in internationals as they have done well in the shorter formats. Rohit hasn't even played a test to judge him though I'm not a fan of him.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:36 pm

Red Devil wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:Abhishek Nayar is a better option instead of Yuvi,Jadeja,Rain,Rohit . He also offers the medium pace overs. Off course his stance is awkward as he appears just over stump height with a hugely bent stance, but he has the test match patience and big hundred and double hundreds in FC.


Disagree - Jadeja has multiple triple centuries in FC cricket and Yuvi has often looked a completely different class when playing FC cricket. Nayar's bowling has always looked massively ordinary to me and he is NOT one of the best batsmen in India.

Not really. His FC record is poor by Indian standards though I agree that he is better than Nayar.

I'd pick Tiwary or Rohit at 6. Possibly both at 5 and 6. Move Virat to 4.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby ddb » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:55 pm

Yeah he only averages 44 for Punjab. 97 in 10 North Zone matches though.

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Re: India the Future?

Postby meninblue » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:15 am

Sir Jaddu is the future of Indian Cricket after Sachin. ;) :lol:
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Re: India the Future?

Postby andy » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:59 am

i would like to see Jadeja get a long run in the test side...he was picked for the test match with england, and he should be given a chance to prove himself in the longer form of the game.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:55 pm

I wouldn't have picked him in the first place. So moot point. Runs at Rajkot mean zilch, really.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:25 pm

This is a cracking article. Hits the nail right on the head. :clap :clap :clap :clap

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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:29 pm

greyblazer wrote:Pankaj looked ok in IPL but I'm not going to do the mistake of rating a bowler on the basis of IPL. Dinda runs in hard but seems to think that is his only job. At his pace and as he is very skiddy through the air he needs to swing the ball. Praveen is the best of the lot as he has the control over swing and seam. B.Kumar has the potential but is still a work on progress. He knows how to set up a batsman.

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He has a good FC record too though.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby vindalf » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:37 am

:horse ... ok more like :horse :horse :horse from my side but I had to post this:

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