The Jadeja Anderson Spat

[hopeforthebest]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/sports-news/cricketnews/anderson-pushed-jadeja-called-him-a-f-ing-c-t/article1-1247670.aspx

I think we may be forgiven for not taking a report of the incident in the Hindustan Times too seriously.

It's on Cricinfo again.

ddb, why do you keep saying it's on cricinfo as if they are a source of all truth. They are no different from any other media outlet who are willing to reprint any rumour and gossip that comes their way.

Because it isn't rumour.

Anyway the judge has spoken.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-i ... 66609.html

That's interesting, it seems the judge decided everyone to a certain extent was lying.

[Dilbert]

"According to Anderson's version of the incident it was Jadeja who was the aggressor and without provocation. In the corridor, as they approached the steps that led upstairs, Anderson said that Jadeja suddenly turned around and aggressively came towards him and 'got right up in my face'. He said he instinctively put up his hands as Jadeja still had a cricket bat in his hand. He said that he put up his hands in a defensive manner because of the way in which Jadeja came at him. Anderson claims to have been completely taken aback by Jadeja's 'aggressive action'.

Thats pathetic. Did Anderson forget what he was doing, on the field, in front of cameras 5 mins back? Even if we believe Andersons story (however made up it sounds), how can he claim Jadeja "was the aggressor and without provocation"?

This is typical bully behaviour. They will taunt, to the point the opposing party snaps and lunges at you. They then DONT put their hands up in a defensive manner. They become even more violent and more aggressive. Thats their basic nature. They are never "taken aback" by the aggression of their target, they expect him to do it.
Idiots.

[Arthur Crabtree]

ddb, why do you keep saying it's on cricinfo as if they are a source of all truth. They are no different from any other media outlet who are willing to reprint any rumour and gossip that comes their way.

Cricinfo are quoting from official reports of the hearing. They have given credibility to allegations made by the BCCI that Anderson didn't deny, maybe that could be seen as biased, I don't know if that is normal journalistic practice. But they certainly not making this up. They're not spinning it much- just reporting what is said.

British medial outlet have tended to motivated to avoid embarrassing the ECB. I think I'd rather get this news from cricinfo than anywhere else.

[hopeforthebest]

ddb, why do you keep saying it's on cricinfo as if they are a source of all truth. They are no different from any other media outlet who are willing to reprint any rumour and gossip that comes their way.

Cricinfo are quoting from official reports of the hearing. They have given credibility to allegations made by the BCCI than Anderson didn't deny, maybe that could be seen as biased, I don't know if that is normal journalistic practice. But they certainly not making this up. They're not spinning it much- just reporting what is said.

You're behind the order of debate AC, my comment was when they were quoting from another source. Since they now have access to the official statement my later comment i'e "That's interesting, it seems the judge decided everyone to a certain extent was lying." is more relevant.

[D/L]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/sports-news/cricketnews/anderson-pushed-jadeja-called-him-a-f-ing-c-t/article1-1247670.aspx

I think we may be forgiven for not taking a report of the incident in the Hindustan Times too seriously.

It's on Cricinfo again.

Must be true then.

[Aidan11]

The only winners here were the lawyers.

[D/L]

"According to Anderson's version of the incident it was Jadeja who was the aggressor and without provocation. In the corridor, as they approached the steps that led upstairs, Anderson said that Jadeja suddenly turned around and aggressively came towards him and 'got right up in my face'. He said he instinctively put up his hands as Jadeja still had a cricket bat in his hand. He said that he put up his hands in a defensive manner because of the way in which Jadeja came at him. Anderson claims to have been completely taken aback by Jadeja's 'aggressive action'.

Thats pathetic. Did Anderson forget what he was doing, on the field, in front of cameras 5 mins back? Even if we believe Andersons story (however made up it sounds), how can he claim Jadeja "was the aggressor and without provocation"?

This is typical bully behaviour. They will taunt, to the point the opposing party snaps and lunges at you. They then DONT put their hands up in a defensive manner. They become even more violent and more aggressive. Thats their basic nature. They are never "taken aback" by the aggression of their target, they expect him to do it.
Idiots.

A not unexpectedly partisan interpretation of events based upon the supposition that Anderson is a "bully", which is rather unbelievable.

The chances are that the judge has got it right and that a little spat has been built up into something that it never was and that both sides have been a little economical with the truth.

[pompeymeowth]

Fast bowlers are generally intimidating, big figures, in stature and usually, vocality. A batsman often has to bear the brunt of oaths, hard stares and all manner of sledging.

It looks as though Anderson kept on at Jadeja as they were leaving the field and in the end Jadeja has reacted.

I don't like to label Jimmy as a bully but he has been clearly stood up to and didn't like it one bit. You reap what you sow, time, the devil brrm brrm and all that.

[shankycricket]

Quite amusing to see the English posters on here (bar a few exceptions) trying to brush this under the carpet and pretending that nothing happened when their own team had hypocritically charged Jadeja with a Level 2 offence after initially shrugging off the incident. It just felt like a pathetic 'tit for tat' strategy. To suggest that all is rosey especially after what Anderson has admitted to is frankly laughable. I don't think Jadeja, who earns by the million in the IPL every year would be particularly concerned by a fine of 50% match fee. It was more a case of fighting for the justice, which is why MSD was clearly miffed at his fine. I'm not sure Jadeja is entirely innocent in all this but Anderson getting away without even a fine is frankly ludicrous unless of course this is meant to be an endorsement for further f**king c**t abuses to be spouted on the field. Just looks like a successful, pathetic cover up by the ECB who have flexed their muscles yet again.

[shankycricket]

As Red said though, I'm not at all surprised by the verdict. This is not the first time an England player or Anderson himself, for that matter, gotten away with such kind of nonsense and it won't be the last.

After all, Broad once got away after deliberately throwing the ball on an opposition player DURING the course of play.
The notion that its only the BCCI that controls the sport is hilarious given ECB's history of getting away with on-field thuggery on numerous occasions in what is, essentially supposed to be, a non-contact sport. Oh Well!

[hopeforthebest]

Quite amusing to see the English posters on here (bar a few exceptions) trying to brush this under the carpet and pretending that nothing happened when their own team had hypocritically charged Jadeja with a Level 2 offence after initially shrugging off the incident. It just felt like a pathetic 'tit for tat' strategy. To suggest that all is rosey especially after what Anderson has admitted to is frankly laughable. I don't think Jadeja, who earns by the million in the IPL every year would be particularly concerned by a fine of 50% match fee. It was more a case of fighting for the justice, which is why MSD was clearly miffed at his fine. I'm not sure Jadeja is entirely innocent in all this but Anderson getting away without even a fine is frankly ludicrous unless of course this is meant to be an endorsement for further f**king c**t abuses to be spouted on the field. Just looks like a successful, pathetic cover up by the ECB who have flexed their muscles yet again.

I don't think you've been reading very carefully, a fair summation of posts would conclude that most India supporters believe every word coming from the India camp and claim every thing coming from the England camp are lies. Most England supporters are sceptical of the stories from both sides and feel the whole business should never have ended up with a judge presiding.

[Dilbert]

Quite amusing to see the English posters on here (bar a few exceptions) trying to brush this under the carpet and pretending that nothing happened when their own team had hypocritically charged Jadeja with a Level 2 offence after initially shrugging off the incident. It just felt like a pathetic 'tit for tat' strategy. To suggest that all is rosey especially after what Anderson has admitted to is frankly laughable. I don't think Jadeja, who earns by the million in the IPL every year would be particularly concerned by a fine of 50% match fee. It was more a case of fighting for the justice, which is why MSD was clearly miffed at his fine. I'm not sure Jadeja is entirely innocent in all this but Anderson getting away without even a fine is frankly ludicrous unless of course this is meant to be an endorsement for further f**king c**t abuses to be spouted on the field. Just looks like a successful, pathetic cover up by the ECB who have flexed their muscles yet again.

I don't think you've been reading very carefully, a fair summation of posts would conclude that most India supporters believe every word coming from the India camp and claim every thing coming from the England camp are lies. Most England supporters are sceptical of the stories from both sides and feel the whole business should never have ended up with a judge presiding.

To be fair, not one of the Indian posters were bothered at all about this. What irked many on here was the way this unfolded later. ECB and Cook said it was a nothing incident, then they threatened to accuse Jadeja if the Indians didn't withdraw, which they did - as a sort of tit for tat. Then Andersons hearing gets postponed (for no plausible reason) whereas Jadeja is fined. [which i think was a right decision]. There 2 important things happened. Prior and Stokes, from their testimony, clearly indicated it was a level 3 offence FROM Jadeja. So how come ECB and Cook thought it was a minor incident earlier? That clearly indicated they were lying.
Then Anderson admits pushing, cursing and still gets away scott free. Yes, there was no video evidence (very convenient to turn off the camera that day) but to come to a conclusion that both go unpunished at all is frankly ridiculous. This clearly shows who's flexing muscles.

And no, we don't think Jadeja is completely blameless but definitely Anderson is by far the most responsible for what happened. He couldn't shut up. He wanted Jadeja to react. And really, do you believe the crap about Jadeja being the aggressor without provocation?

He taunted and sledged to the point Jadeja snapped and lunged at him. Then he talks about putting his hands up in a defensive manner and was "taken aback" by the aggression of Jadeja. Thats BS.

So going by the events, we can see where Anderson was wrong, and got away with it, without even talking about what Jadeja had done. As it was obvious Anderson had provoked, pushed and bullied his way through, they dropped charges on Jadeja to make sure Anderson goes scott free.

[Red Devil]

Quite amusing to see the English posters on here (bar a few exceptions) trying to brush this under the carpet and pretending that nothing happened when their own team had hypocritically charged Jadeja with a Level 2 offence after initially shrugging off the incident. It just felt like a pathetic 'tit for tat' strategy. To suggest that all is rosey especially after what Anderson has admitted to is frankly laughable. I don't think Jadeja, who earns by the million in the IPL every year would be particularly concerned by a fine of 50% match fee. It was more a case of fighting for the justice, which is why MSD was clearly miffed at his fine. I'm not sure Jadeja is entirely innocent in all this but Anderson getting away without even a fine is frankly ludicrous unless of course this is meant to be an endorsement for further f**king c**t abuses to be spouted on the field. Just looks like a successful, pathetic cover up by the ECB who have flexed their muscles yet again.

I don't think you've been reading very carefully, a fair summation of posts would conclude that most India supporters believe every word coming from the India camp and claim every thing coming from the England camp are lies. Most England supporters are sceptical of the stories from both sides and feel the whole business should never have ended up with a judge presiding.

No, quite right. India should have done as they were told at the start when the ECB wanted the whole thing dropped. Frankly ludicrous of India to think any justice was possible given years and years of evidence to suggest that was highly unlikely - sheer stupidity really. I say that as someone who had (and expressed) complete confidence from the outset that it didn't matter at all what had or hadn't happened, Anderson would be found not guilty.

Still, at least everyone but the ICC, ECB and Eng fans now can clearly see just what kind of person Jimmy Anderson is (his own favourite phrase of F****** C*** seems to sum him up pretty well) - and also what an absolute joke it is for the ECB or the Eng team to ever mention the spirit of cricket. Bunch of hypocrites - the lot of them.

[Dilbert]

Maybe, this new found harmony in the Eng dressing room is all about this - they all think the opposition is a F****** C***. And you need to support your team mates whatever they do.
Guess KP didn't subscribe to this philosophy. Maybe thats why he thought his Captn was a F****** C***

[hopeforthebest]

Quite amusing to see the English posters on here (bar a few exceptions) trying to brush this under the carpet and pretending that nothing happened when their own team had hypocritically charged Jadeja with a Level 2 offence after initially shrugging off the incident. It just felt like a pathetic 'tit for tat' strategy. To suggest that all is rosey especially after what Anderson has admitted to is frankly laughable. I don't think Jadeja, who earns by the million in the IPL every year would be particularly concerned by a fine of 50% match fee. It was more a case of fighting for the justice, which is why MSD was clearly miffed at his fine. I'm not sure Jadeja is entirely innocent in all this but Anderson getting away without even a fine is frankly ludicrous unless of course this is meant to be an endorsement for further f**king c**t abuses to be spouted on the field. Just looks like a successful, pathetic cover up by the ECB who have flexed their muscles yet again.

I don't think you've been reading very carefully, a fair summation of posts would conclude that most India supporters believe every word coming from the India camp and claim every thing coming from the England camp are lies. Most England supporters are sceptical of the stories from both sides and feel the whole business should never have ended up with a judge presiding.

To be fair, not one of the Indian posters were bothered at all about this. What irked many on here was the way this unfolded later. ECB and Cook said it was a nothing incident, then they threatened to accuse Jadeja if the Indians didn't withdraw, which they did - as a sort of tit for tat. Then Andersons hearing gets postponed (for no plausible reason) whereas Jadeja is fined. [which i think was a right decision]. There 2 important things happened. Prior and Stokes, from their testimony, clearly indicated it was a level 3 offence FROM Jadeja. So how come ECB and Cook thought it was a minor incident earlier? That clearly indicated they were lying.
Then Anderson admits pushing, cursing and still gets away scott free. Yes, there was no video evidence (very convenient to turn off the camera that day) but to come to a conclusion that both go unpunished at all is frankly ridiculous. This clearly shows who's flexing muscles.

And no, we don't think Jadeja is completely blameless but definitely Anderson is by far the most responsible for what happened. He couldn't shut up. He wanted Jadeja to react. And really, do you believe the crap about Jadeja being the aggressor without provocation?

He taunted and sledged to the point Jadeja snapped and lunged at him. Then he talks about putting his hands up in a defensive manner and was "taken aback" by the aggression of Jadeja. Thats BS.

So going by the events, we can see where Anderson was wrong, and got away with it, without even talking about what Jadeja had done. As it was obvious Anderson had provoked, pushed and bullied his way through, they dropped charges on Jadeja to make sure Anderson goes scott free.

I think quite a number of us agree that Anderson got away with something and that he was the principle in the events that occurred. His onfield behaviour was unacceptable and that alone deserved some kind of sanction and had Dhoni handled it better he may well have received such a sanction.