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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby m@tt » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:55 pm

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Alviro Patterson wrote:Possibility of Jacky Brooks receiving a test call up for the Carribean if Anderson or Broad get rested, also Adil Rashid could feature as a 2nd spinner or a main spinner if Moeen Ali misses a game.


A rest? Anderson and Broad have had 4 months off. How many overs will they bowl in the WC, 50?
Anderson won't want to miss his 100th Test.

I think Rashid will be in the squad and we might play two spinners in all the matches.

If we play 2 spinners (Rashid would be a great choice if we do), then we have 3 remaining places to choose from Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Jordan, Plunkett, Stokes and Finn. Even with resting players, I don't see Brooks playing. Maybe a squad place, but only if both Broad and Anderson are rested.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:31 pm

Given that Woakes, Stokes, Jordan and Plunkett didn't really make a strong claim for a place last summer, it might be possible for someone to make a push for selection. England tend to like players to have come through age group cricket so someone like Brooks would be at a slight disadvantage. Finn must be a long way from a place. He's not near the 90+ bowler he was.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:46 pm

It's difficult in the tests as Jimmy & Broad have two places sewn up so there are a few fighting for the third quicky slot.

Stokes would have made an ideal bowler had he played higher up the order. One of the many reasons why Moores should be seen and not heard. Actually I'd rather he wasn't seen too. Someone make him disappear. Not in a sinister way of course. No scrub that...be as sinister as you like. What am I saying...this is Christmas...peace and goodwill to all men. To hell with it...just sack him.
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Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:49 pm

Broad and Anderson might not last too much longer. The former always looks injured and the latter knackered.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby #Brown » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:01 pm

Just going through some of the posts in this thread, and it reads like a group of angry entitled children. Maybe one day some of you could lose dream jobs at awful times, and watch as someone else publicly puts up the bunting.

Yes, he did have to go. But joyous celebrations, really? Does he deserve that? You're acting like he performed poorly on purpose, and had no interest in seeing England win. He was asked to do a job (one he did reasonably successfully for some time), and surely tried his best. A professional athlete must have confidence in their own ability in order to succeed, so expecting him to quit is, at best, naive.

It's daft to see those celebrating, also now calling for Pietersen to return...as if Cook was keeping him out of the team...Like they couldn't play together! The decision was not his, in the same way it's not Morgan's.

This used to be a reasonable forum for discussion...now seems to be a place for divisive angry rants and cheerleading (quite representative of English cricket at the moment), so thought I'd contribute a rant myself before leaving. I suggest some of you consider your attitudes, and invest some time in growing up.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:09 pm

#Brown wrote:Just going through some of the posts in this thread, and it reads like a group of angry entitled children. Maybe one day some of you could lose dream jobs at awful times, and watch as someone else publicly puts up the bunting.

Yes, he did have to go. But joyous celebrations, really? Does he deserve that? You're acting like he performed poorly on purpose, and had no interest in seeing England win. He was asked to do a job (one he did reasonably successfully for some time), and surely tried his best. A professional athlete must have confidence in their own ability in order to succeed, so expecting him to quit is, at best, naive.

It's daft to see those celebrating, also now calling for Pietersen to return...as if Cook was keeping him out of the team...Like they couldn't play together! The decision was not his, in the same way it's not Morgan's.

This used to be a reasonable forum for discussion...now seems to be a place for divisive angry rants and cheerleading (quite representative of English cricket at the moment), so thought I'd contribute a rant myself before leaving. I suggest some of you consider your attitudes, and invest some time in growing up.


Some fair comments there Hash but it's only natural that people would celebrate Cook's departure. Most England fans are pig sick of England under-achieving at ODI level and Cook was an obvious elephant in the room.

We want the best players to play for England KP was arguably one of those players. The bloke is a loose cannon but then he is not the first. Botham, Gower, Flintoff, Lamb...they've all been disciplined for misdemeanours but never sacked for looking disinterested. On that basis Gower would never have got past one cap.

"Angry rants and cheerleading"? Well it is a cricket message board and you are bound to get a number of diverse opinions. Wouldn't be much point if we all agreed on everything.

As for growing up...well speaking personally I've tried it and it's overrated.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:05 pm

I think those posting on this thread are just bothered about this, and interested in it.

There is always something a bit childish in talking about sport.

Nonetheless, sorry if I've contributed to your irritation, and good to read your thoughts on the issue.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Given that Woakes, Stokes, Jordan and Plunkett didn't really make a strong claim for a place last summer, it might be possible for someone to make a push for selection. England tend to like players to have come through age group cricket so someone like Brooks would be at a slight disadvantage. Finn must be a long way from a place. He's not near the 90+ bowler he was.


Time and again the ECB do recognise late developers and select them for Lions representation, Darren Stevens springs to mind and he's spent his entire career playing for less than fashionable counties.

Jacky Brooks has been on the ECB radar for a while, since selected for Lions representation when making a name at Northants. Brooks disadvantage of not being within the ECB at school age is countered by playing for a prestigous county in Yorkshire CCC and being coached by Jason Gillespie.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby rich1uk » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:18 pm

#Brown wrote:Just going through some of the posts in this thread, and it reads like a group of angry entitled children. Maybe one day some of you could lose dream jobs at awful times, and watch as someone else publicly puts up the bunting.

Yes, he did have to go. But joyous celebrations, really? Does he deserve that? You're acting like he performed poorly on purpose, and had no interest in seeing England win. He was asked to do a job (one he did reasonably successfully for some time), and surely tried his best. A professional athlete must have confidence in their own ability in order to succeed, so expecting him to quit is, at best, naive.

It's daft to see those celebrating, also now calling for Pietersen to return...as if Cook was keeping him out of the team...Like they couldn't play together! The decision was not his, in the same way it's not Morgan's.

This used to be a reasonable forum for discussion...now seems to be a place for divisive angry rants and cheerleading (quite representative of English cricket at the moment), so thought I'd contribute a rant myself before leaving. I suggest some of you consider your attitudes, and invest some time in growing up.


firstly, not sure on what grounds someone who has made 100 posts in 4 years thinks he has the right to lecture people who contribute regularly to this site

secondly, not really sure what the relevance is to losing a "dream job", being captain of an international sports team isn't a right , its something you have to earn , he hadn't and by hanging on for as long as he did he was compromising the ability of the team, I don't really give a toss whether his feeling are hurt or not, my interest is what I think is best for English cricket and him going was in those interests. comparing someone in the media spotlight to an every day occupation is just daft tbh as the demands and public profile come with the job.

thirdly, if you know anything about the medium of message boards then people use exaggerated language and use of smilies to emphasise a point, do you actually think people were dancing around when they got the news , of course they weren't , its just how things are expressed in this medium.

fourthly, yes I expect someone in his position to know when he is holding the team back and make the decision that is in the best interests of the team not his own personal pride.

fifthly, I don't think anyone is seriously calling for a pietersen return, even KP fans know that isn't going to happen, but rather just reflecting on how much we are missing an experienced player of his potential in the side, in the same way I would say we miss swann or trott

lastly, this still is a reasonable forum of discussion, in fact in my experience one of the best around and the community is better than any, even those I disagree with , if you are going to base your opinions of a site on one thread where people reacted to an issue that had been allowed to drag on for far too long and where genuine England cricket fans were becoming disillusioned to the handling of the team over a long period and this issue became the focus of that, when the unexpected decision was made people were happy, not because of any dislike of cook , but because they thought this was best for English cricket as it not only benefits the ODI team team in the short term but taking cook out of this spotlight, allowing him a 4 month break before the WI test series next year is also in my opinion in the best long term interests of the test side and of cook himself.

now if you aren't happy with any of that by all means discuss it, don't just lob things from the sidelines then take your ball and go home because you don't like the game
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:21 pm

While our reactions to cricket issues are often quite similar (I think), Rich, there was quite a disparity between how we responded there...
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby rich1uk » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:24 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:While our responses to cricket issues are often quite similar (I think), Rich, there was quite a disparity to how we responded there...


maybe , I stand by my response tho
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:28 pm

Fair enough. I was trying my typical British dryness out. Never know when you might need it.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:15 pm

Is Britain ever dry? Maybe two weeks in August.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:56 pm

#Brown wrote:Just going through some of the posts in this thread, and it reads like a group of angry entitled children. Maybe one day some of you could lose dream jobs at awful times, and watch as someone else publicly puts up the bunting.

Yes, he did have to go. But joyous celebrations, really? Does he deserve that? You're acting like he performed poorly on purpose, and had no interest in seeing England win. He was asked to do a job (one he did reasonably successfully for some time), and surely tried his best. A professional athlete must have confidence in their own ability in order to succeed, so expecting him to quit is, at best, naive.

It's daft to see those celebrating, also now calling for Pietersen to return...as if Cook was keeping him out of the team...Like they couldn't play together! The decision was not his, in the same way it's not Morgan's.

This used to be a reasonable forum for discussion...now seems to be a place for divisive angry rants and cheerleading (quite representative of English cricket at the moment), so thought I'd contribute a rant myself before leaving. I suggest some of you consider your attitudes, and invest some time in growing up.


Cook came to symbolise everything that was wrong about English cricket. Here was a player who had been underpeforming for a long period of time but promising youngsters were cast aside to keep him in the team and better performing players were dropped to keep him in the team. The long term future of English cricket, player performance and players careers had no meaning if you weren't Cook. England had lost five series in a row with Cook in charge, but everything was fine. We had the MD of English cricket publically pressurising the selectors to keep Cook in the side despite everyone and their dog seeing that it wasn't working, he even went so far as to sit in on the selection meeting deciding if Cook should be kept on.

When Cook was dropped, it felt like something had finally changed. No more PR *modded*, no more sacrificial lambs while the real powers that be simply shifted themselves out of the lime light for a while. Finally it seemed that if you weren't good enough no amount of corporate black slapping was going to keep you in a performanced based role and maybe just maybe dogma was going to be put second to selecting the best team.

So yes, quite a lot of people were quite happy about it. Understandably so.
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Re: Cook Must Go. NOW! (Actually he's gone)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:03 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Is Britain ever dry? Maybe two weeks in August.


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