England at the 2015 World Cup.

[meninblue]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

[Alviro Patterson]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.

[meninblue]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.

I would not put Harry,Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.

[KipperJohn]

Interestingly, only one English batsman has passed 150 in ODIs in the last 20 years - a certain Andrew Strauss who did it 3 times, twice against Bangladesh and once against India.

The only other two to have achieved the feat were David Gower in 1983 and Robin Smith in 1993 - his is the highest English score of 167.

[hopeforthebest]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.

I would not put Harry,Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.

As Splinters often reminds us, we rarely pick players who are true ODI specialists. We stick to the idea that good test players can transfer their talents to ODI games. This maybe true in some cases but it limits the choices of the selectors.

[rich1uk]

Interestingly, only one English batsman has passed 150 in ODIs in the last 20 years - a certain Andrew Strauss who did it 3 times, twice against Bangladesh and once against India.

The only other two to have achieved the feat were David Gower in 1983 and Robin Smith in 1993 - his is the highest English score of 167.

i'd be quite happy if we get a few scores over 50 from the current team

[Gingerfinch]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.

I would not put Harry,Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.

As Splinters often reminds us, we rarely pick players who are true ODI specialists. We stick to the idea that good test players can transfer their talents to ODI games. This maybe true in some cases but it limits the choices of the selectors.

I think we have a decent mixture of test and ODI players,apart from having Cook and Bell.

[hopeforthebest]

To me it is obvious that teams would look to pick match winners - the player who on his day can contribute heavily to a win with some support from others in terms of runs and wickets. Experience and form would also surely come into play while picking the probables.

Most teams now play 7+4 combo in ODI format with non specialist bowlers (pacers/spinners) doing the 5th bowlers role. England too would do the same. England also have failed to find new players until this point of time, so there will be hardly any surprises in playing 11 that played in recent ODI series, unless and until someone gets injured.

England have identified a number of new players in the last 12 months or so. Harry Gurney, Moeen Ali and Alex Hales made their England ODI debuts in 2014, Chris Jordan and Gary Ballance in 2013, Joe Root and Jos Buttler in 2012. One would expect at least four of those players will make the 15 man World Cup squad.

I would not put Harry,Mooen, Ballance, Joe, Chris Jordan and Jos as top class ODI cricketers. Average yes. What i mean is that England does not has many players who are very good at ODI. To give an idea of whom i am comparing, someone like Virat,Dhoni,Rohit,Raina. England have just Trott and Morgan. Nobody from the new players that have been tried are as good as those two imo.

As Splinters often reminds us, we rarely pick players who are true ODI specialists. We stick to the idea that good test players can transfer their talents to ODI games. This maybe true in some cases but it limits the choices of the selectors.

I think we have a decent mixture of test and ODI players,apart from having Cook and Bell.

There is some drivel talked on this site about Bell and ODI games. Just compare his record since he returned to open in this format in 2012 with others and he comes out well. An average of 45.65 at S/R of 82 in 38 innings.

[Gingerfinch]

Hope

I meant having both. One will suffice.

[rich1uk]

There is some drivel talked on this site about Bell and ODI games. Just compare his record since he returned to open in this format in 2012 with others and he comes out well. An average of 45.65 at S/R of 82 in 38 innings.

and if you look at that 2 year period , he averages 53 for the first half of it and is back down to 35 for the last 12 months or so

so is his most recent form, which is actually worse than his career average, what we should be judging his place on or what he did in the previous 12 months ?

even during the whole 2 year period altho he averages 43 he still only managed 2 centuries in 40 games , which for an opener in ODI cricket really isn't very good. making lots of 30s and 40s are great for the average but they don't win your team too many games

[m@tt]

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If you wanted Gurney as a leftie option, then Broad who doesn't even feature in the top 50, would have to make way, surely?

although in fairness, leaving Broad out is probably a capital offence.

broad , when fit, has been one of our better ODI bowlers, not sure his ICC ranking really reflects his place in our side given hes played fairly intermittently over the period the rankings reflect and has been carrying an injury during that time too

for me if he is 100% fit he is the first bowler on the team sheet

It certainly feels like Broad has only featured intermittently over the past few years. At one point he was certainly our best ODI fast bowler. 2007-2010, he played 15+ games a year and averaged mid-20s. The last few years he hasn't played 10+ in a year and the average is low/mid 30s. Hopefully he can get a good run of games together in the New Year.

Gurney has had a decent summer for England. But all at home. I fear that he would get clobbered in Australia, or Sri Lanka for that matter. That's not to write him off completely, we don't know how he'll do because he hasn't played in those conditions much if at all. If Finn can get back to his best in Sri Lanka, he is a must pick and gets in ahead of Gurney all day long. Gurney would remain an option for T20s, where the left arm variation helps more, and 4 overs is less time for a batsman to get accustomed to that.

[hopeforthebest]

There is some drivel talked on this site about Bell and ODI games. Just compare his record since he returned to open in this format in 2012 with others and he comes out well. An average of 45.65 at S/R of 82 in 38 innings.

and if you look at that 2 year period , he averages 53 for the first half of it and is back down to 35 for the last 12 months or so

so is his most recent form, which is actually worse than his career average, what we should be judging his place on or what he did in the previous 12 months ?

even during the whole 2 year period altho he averages 43 he still only managed 2 centuries in 40 games , which for an opener in ODI cricket really isn't very good. making lots of 30s and 40s are great for the average but they don't win your team too many games

He didn't open in his last two games as he was replaced by Hales who managed to average 23. Even his 35 average was better than most. His position is opener and to place him anywhere else is stupid. Morgan , the irreplaceable, only managed two centuries and six fifties in the same period from 43 games.

[Gingerfinch]

Unfair to compare Bell and Morgan, won't hit too many tons from his position.

[hopeforthebest]

Unfair to compare Bell and Morgan, won't hit too many tons from his position.

Eight innings over fifty is hardly a great achievement for a player who many say is our best ODI batsman.

[Gingerfinch]

Unfair to compare Bell and Morgan, won't hit too many tons from his position.

Eight innings over fifty is hardly a great achievement for a player who many say is our best ODI batsman.

No, though his role has been a little different to that of a top order player at times. A quick 30-40 from him has been what's needed at times.