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Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:58 pm

Ian O'Brian the NZ pace bowler and I think other ex international pace bowlers have said that a team should be allowed to condition the ball for bowling. Short of using sharp objects to damage the ball why shouldn't it be allowed?
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby Gingerfinch » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:00 pm

So, tampering with their hands only?
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby rich1uk » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:05 pm

opens too big a can of worms imo

would lead to all sorts of issues in deciding what is and isn't legal
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:08 pm

In the last WC all the sub continental teams were bouncing the ball into the wicket keeper and other teams followed suit. Apparently this is frowned on and the umpires are supposed to stop it but how many times have you seen an umpire do so. Why shouldn't a bowler try to re raise a flattened seam in order restore it to it's original condition?
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby rich1uk » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:11 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:In the last WC all the sub continental teams were bouncing the ball into the wicket keeper and other teams followed suit. Apparently this is frowned on and the umpires are supposed to stop it but how many times have you seen an umpire do so. Why shouldn't a bowler try to re raise a flattened seam in order restore it to it's original condition?


bit harsh just saying its SC teams that do that hope

I've seen all teams try to get away with it , and over the last couple of years I have seen the umpires give captains warnings for unnecessarily bouncing the ball into the keeper when fielding it
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Postby meninblue » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:11 pm

No ball tampering imo.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:22 pm

England are now being accused of ball tampering by the Oz captain for simply being very good at conditioning the ball by getting the shiny side and rough side working well for them. Such conditioning skills should be acceptable and made clear by the authorities. Bouncing the ball in should be allowed.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby rich1uk » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:30 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:England are now being accused of ball tampering by the Oz captain for simply being very good at conditioning the ball by getting the shiny side and rough side working well for them. Such conditioning skills should be acceptable and made clear by the authorities. Bouncing the ball in should be allowed.


I don't agree, as soon as you allow any artificial means to attempt to alter the condition of the ball you cross a line and make it difficult to say what is and isn't acceptable

if the bowlers aren't good enough to bowl with an "unaltered" ball then tough
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:34 pm

rich1uk wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:England are now being accused of ball tampering by the Oz captain for simply being very good at conditioning the ball by getting the shiny side and rough side working well for them. Such conditioning skills should be acceptable and made clear by the authorities. Bouncing the ball in should be allowed.


I don't agree, as soon as you allow any artificial means to attempt to alter the condition of the ball you cross a line and make it difficult to say what is and isn't acceptable

if the bowlers aren't good enough to bowl with an "unaltered" ball then tough


So Bailey was correct in suggesting England are cheats.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby rich1uk » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:43 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
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hopeforthebest wrote:England are now being accused of ball tampering by the Oz captain for simply being very good at conditioning the ball by getting the shiny side and rough side working well for them. Such conditioning skills should be acceptable and made clear by the authorities. Bouncing the ball in should be allowed.


I don't agree, as soon as you allow any artificial means to attempt to alter the condition of the ball you cross a line and make it difficult to say what is and isn't acceptable

if the bowlers aren't good enough to bowl with an "unaltered" ball then tough


So Bailey was correct in suggesting England are cheats.


no because we don't know what the basis of his complaint was

as you said in a previous post in the match thread I think, the umpires get possession of the ball at the end of every over and if they thought something was amiss they would have noticed

in addition as I said earlier the umpires now do have specific instructions about fielders obviously trying to rough up the ball by bouncing it in to the keeper and will warn teams if they think its excessive
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby SaintPowelly » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:51 pm

Bailey didn't actually accused England of tampering.

He was asked a direct question about if he was surprised how quickly they got it to reverse swing.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:55 pm

Players who take the time to learn their craft will swing the ball... allowing teams to artificially create swinging conditions is basically saying to would be bowlers it is now not to necessary to be good enough to swing it properly.

I think it would dumb down the bowling skills required to be successful
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:57 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Bailey didn't actually accused England of tampering.

He was asked a direct question about if he was surprised how quickly they got it to reverse swing.


The Aussie chairman of selectors came out and didn't agree with Bailey's remarks so he thought so.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby SaintPowelly » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:58 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Bailey didn't actually accused England of tampering.

He was asked a direct question about if he was surprised how quickly they got it to reverse swing.


The Aussie chairman of selectors came out and didn't agree with Bailey's remarks so he thought so.


Bailey said he was unsure how they got swing, and Australia didnt and the other game played at the same venue got no swing.

He never said he thought England cheated.
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Re: Ball tampering, should the rules be relaxed?

Postby DeltaAlpha » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:00 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Bailey didn't actually accused England of tampering.

He was asked a direct question about if he was surprised how quickly they got it to reverse swing.

So far as I'm aware, there's no theoretical reason why the ball shouldn't reverse swing right from ball #1. It's just easier to do when one side's got the shine off it.
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