Your argument makes no sense and doesn't look at the wider picture. For a start Woakes, Kerrigan, Bairstow, Taylor, Finn are at the infancy of their international careers and have time on their side.
Carberry only came into the England squad for the Bangladesh tour when Andrew Strauss needed a breather after a busy 2009, he was not a permanent replacement at that time.
Onions looked an England regular before he suffered a long term injury, very difficult to come back in at a time when Anderson, Broad and Bresnan made the pace bowling spots their own.
Tredwell hasn't disgraced himself when called upon, very rare for county spinners to have a 30 or below average.
Compton was unfortunate to have got dropped, but it was at the expense of accommodating Kevin Pietersen.
Kerrigan got his one-off test cap when Swann needed a break, like Carberry he was not a permanent replacement.
Bairstow might be not living to the hype, doesn't help when his playing career has stalled for a variety of reasons.
Trott is a Flower pick, Moores might have handed Trott a T20 debut in 2007 but wasn't selected for the longer formats.
Kim wrote:"Its clear without the black and white he would have been a test player in 2007 when Vaughan was breaking down and Bell was struggling for form."
That's not quite right. Moores was indeed the driver behind getting Trotty into the England set up partly because he always got runs v Sussex (tho why they gave him a debut in T20 with a broken finger I will never know) but there was no way he was near Tests in 2007 simply because he had a terrible year - he averaged just 22 in first-class cricket that season. Giles then took over and sorted him out and gradually, over the next two years he built an irrisitable case for selection.
Hope mentions above that the media saw him as a Flower/Straass pick because he was selected for the 5th test after he and Bell made runs against Notts at Trent Bridge in front of them just before the test. Again that's not quite right (I doubt if Flower had even seen him bat at that stage). It tends to be forgotten that Trotty was in the squad for the 4th test of that series - Bops failed again so he was next man in line, despite the media blitherings about Tresco and Ramps.
Kim wrote:"Its clear without the black and white he would have been a test player in 2007 when Vaughan was breaking down and Bell was struggling for form."
That's not quite right. Moores was indeed the driver behind getting Trotty into the England set up partly because he always got runs v Sussex (tho why they gave him a debut in T20 with a broken finger I will never know) but there was no way he was near Tests in 2007 simply because he had a terrible year - he averaged just 22 in first-class cricket that season. Giles then took over and sorted him out and gradually, over the next two years he built an irrisitable case for selection
hopeforthebest wrote:Kim, you said you doubted that Flower had never seen him bat but wasn't Flower batting coach under Moores when Trott was around?
sussexpob wrote:Kim wrote:"Its clear without the black and white he would have been a test player in 2007 when Vaughan was breaking down and Bell was struggling for form."
That's not quite right. Moores was indeed the driver behind getting Trotty into the England set up partly because he always got runs v Sussex (tho why they gave him a debut in T20 with a broken finger I will never know) but there was no way he was near Tests in 2007 simply because he had a terrible year - he averaged just 22 in first-class cricket that season. Giles then took over and sorted him out and gradually, over the next two years he built an irrisitable case for selection
He was picked for the Lions 4 day game against the touring Indians in 2007, and as far as I remember was then injured and taken out of contention. He was then taken on the performance squad in that winter to India, where he made some scores for the England team. While the Moores/Flower/KP debacle was kicking off Trott also made 200 undefeated runs for the England Lions vs a NZ A team.
sussexpob wrote:Kim wrote:"Its clear without the black and white he would have been a test player in 2007 when Vaughan was breaking down and Bell was struggling for form."
That's not quite right. Moores was indeed the driver behind getting Trotty into the England set up partly because he always got runs v Sussex (tho why they gave him a debut in T20 with a broken finger I will never know) but there was no way he was near Tests in 2007 simply because he had a terrible year - he averaged just 22 in first-class cricket that season. Giles then took over and sorted him out and gradually, over the next two years he built an irrisitable case for selection
He was picked for the Lions 4 day game against the touring Indians in 2007, and as far as I remember was then injured and taken out of contention. He was then taken on the performance squad in that winter to India, where he made some scores for the England team. While the Moores/Flower/KP debacle was kicking off Trott also made 200 undefeated runs for the England Lions vs a NZ A team.
sussex I suspect your desire to give so much credit to Moores is strongly influenced by Moores long service at the county of Sussex. Talk about bias.
Kim wrote:Don't think that chronology is right. Vaughans load of ******* (Trotty wasn't celebrating anything - he just talked to Harris and Steyn - former Warwickshire team mates) came out after Trott was selected as I remember.
Mind you I don't take much notice of stuff like that - Im a "if he's eligible and good enough, pick him wherever he's from" type
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