GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Having been to the place numerous times, the bouncers there are notorious for being heavy handed and generally unpleasant (even by normal bouncer standards). Once one elbowed a female friend of mine in the stomach (may have been accidental tbf), then kicked her out when she complained about it. Anecdotal evidence yes, however I wouldn't trust these guys in the slightest.
Slipstream wrote:Don't know why Hales wasn't charged as well.
"Mr Murray asked PC Adams "would it be fair to describe that as Alex Hales kicking a man in the head?" PC Adams responds: "That's what it looks like yes."
sussexpob wrote:GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Having been to the place numerous times, the bouncers there are notorious for being heavy handed and generally unpleasant (even by normal bouncer standards). Once one elbowed a female friend of mine in the stomach (may have been accidental tbf), then kicked her out when she complained about it. Anecdotal evidence yes, however I wouldn't trust these guys in the slightest.
Is it on Whiteladies? By memory, you could nuke that street in its entirety, and the world would be a much better place.
sussexpob wrote:Reading the live feed, Id have to guess at this point it isnt going that well for the defendants. Seems a lot of damaging evidence being landed with concern to that video. Eyewitnesses talking about how shocking it is, from a legal perspective in the acid test of the offence, is really going to hurt them the most.
budgetmeansbudget wrote:sussexpob wrote:Reading the live feed, Id have to guess at this point it isnt going that well for the defendants. Seems a lot of damaging evidence being landed with concern to that video. Eyewitnesses talking about how shocking it is, from a legal perspective in the acid test of the offence, is really going to hurt them the most.
I might have missed the end of today's session, but as far as I'm aware the only witnesses who have testified so far was the bouncer who witnessed Stokes behaviour outside the club but none of the fighting, and a guy who filmed the incident on his mobile phone from his bedroom window. I guess there may well be others but can viewing an incident like that from your bedroom window make you that fearful for your safety. Not scared enough to prevent you from filming the whole thing. I don't know, just saying.
GG - Amir Sohail wrote:sussexpob wrote:GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Having been to the place numerous times, the bouncers there are notorious for being heavy handed and generally unpleasant (even by normal bouncer standards). Once one elbowed a female friend of mine in the stomach (may have been accidental tbf), then kicked her out when she complained about it. Anecdotal evidence yes, however I wouldn't trust these guys in the slightest.
Is it on Whiteladies? By memory, you could nuke that street in its entirety, and the world would be a much better place.
Yep, Clifton triangle. So bottom of Whiteladies / Top of Park Street. Agreed, though I might not have putit so extremely
sussexpob wrote:budgetmeansbudget wrote:sussexpob wrote:Reading the live feed, Id have to guess at this point it isnt going that well for the defendants. Seems a lot of damaging evidence being landed with concern to that video. Eyewitnesses talking about how shocking it is, from a legal perspective in the acid test of the offence, is really going to hurt them the most.
I might have missed the end of today's session, but as far as I'm aware the only witnesses who have testified so far was the bouncer who witnessed Stokes behaviour outside the club but none of the fighting, and a guy who filmed the incident on his mobile phone from his bedroom window. I guess there may well be others but can viewing an incident like that from your bedroom window make you that fearful for your safety. Not scared enough to prevent you from filming the whole thing. I don't know, just saying.
Women who witnessed it from her house, the police officer near the scene that witnessed it, the attending senior policeman and the people you mention. Not sure how many eyewitnesses there are, but all of them have commeted negatively on the severity, and that is the main nail in the coffin. If people witnessing it say they were shocked, then its easier to fulfill that average man test as part of the offence.
It seems that it is a hypothetical bystander that must fear for their safety, as opposed to actually someone being there so I guess the evidence of the phone videwitness is important.
However surely the defence will try to argue that the violence was solely between the three up on the charge of affray, and they weren't looking to bring any innocent bystander into the situation.
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