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Postby from_the_stands » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:44 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if Cook resigned as skipper.


He would have to lose one of the home series' later this year to get the old heave ho. I reckon the India series could prove to be his Alamo. An ODI series loss to the West Indies could well be the end of him too, although to be fair, the West Indies are in more of a shambles than England... just. I can't really see Sri Lanka doing anything against England... sadly. The India series could well see the end of Cook's captaincy, and I think James Anderson as a Test cricketer.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:47 pm

Considering we had a 33 year old opener struggling to make it past 20, his partner struggling to find anything but the edge of the bat, the number 3 going home arguably never to play again replaced by another opener/3 that was elevated but dropped by the end of the 5 matches for looking abhorrent, a number 5-7 combination of Prior/Bairstow/Ballance that have done nothing, in the former two's cases now arguably terminally for their career, and a number 6 inside a failing system that averages 35 for Durham and has clearly showed nothing over his career to suggest he is a sepcialist batsman.

As possible replacements, Compton and Taylor have effectively been shown they have no career, Patel is rubbish, and Borthwick is hardly a top 6 batter or good enough as a bowler to be picked at 8.......

Who is going to replace KP? Remember Ballance played in the Sydney test with him!!!! We going to have 3 new A team players next test?

Are the ECB realisitcally saying that we go with Carberry/Cook/Bell/Ballance/Root/Stokes/Bairstow??? Effectively 2 test match proven players with a mixture of unproven talent that has been shredded this series, a all rounder batting in a key top 6 position, and a non-specialist keeper?

Sorry, the ECB have hit their limit with me
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:21 pm

Our batting order will be very weak if Trott doesn't return.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby mikesiva » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:08 pm

"KP no longer English property but will remain hot property on the T20 circuit around the world. #IPL #CPL #BBL #RAMSLAM to mention a few!"
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:12 pm

mikesiva wrote:"KP no longer English property but will remain hot property on the T20 circuit around the world. #IPL #CPL #BBL #RAMSLAM to mention a few!"
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Would be interesting to see what the future impact would be if his ex-team mates see KP booted out of International cricket, only to bump into him wearing more gold jewellery than Mr T....

KP could now be an example of what an International cricket with no International connections can make on the T20 circuit.... could it be the start of others following suit if he is successful?
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:51 pm

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from_the_stands wrote:This is a bit of a win-win-win-win-lose situation. Members of the England team win because they've seen the back of KP. A young up and coming player wins because he'll get KP's place. Opposition international teams win because England will now be a weaker team. And KP wins because he can now open himself up to various offers around the world, especially the IPL. The team loses because he's one of their best players. This will be the biggest cricket story of the year.

Will England really be a weaker team? Pietersen has been more of a liability than an asset on the field for some time now and a definite liability off the field for ages.

Pietersen had become too "high maintenance" to justify his place and it seems that pragmatism, albeit belatedly and dressed up in weasel words, has finally made the management do the right thing.


Here here D/L, the decision two years too late like but better than never. A reminder when Yorkshire got shut of Ajmal Shazhad in similar circumstances, especially when bowling options were thin on the ground, but it proved to be a fantastic decision.

This argument of England management not managing KP well is just nonsense. An international player who has scored 8000+ test runs should able to manage himself, more so when most of the England players are under-performing or transisting from county cricket to international cricket.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby D/L » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:53 pm

sussexpob wrote:...KP could now be an example of what an International cricket with no International connections can make on the T20 circuit.... could it be the start of others following suit if he is successful?

No. They have to be a "name" in international cricket to command the big payments on the "hit and giggle" circuit. To become a "name" they have to play and succeed in international cricket.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby D/L » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:01 pm

Alviro Patterson wrote:
D/L wrote:
from_the_stands wrote:This is a bit of a win-win-win-win-lose situation. Members of the England team win because they've seen the back of KP. A young up and coming player wins because he'll get KP's place. Opposition international teams win because England will now be a weaker team. And KP wins because he can now open himself up to various offers around the world, especially the IPL. The team loses because he's one of their best players. This will be the biggest cricket story of the year.

Will England really be a weaker team? Pietersen has been more of a liability than an asset on the field for some time now and a definite liability off the field for ages.

Pietersen had become too "high maintenance" to justify his place and it seems that pragmatism, albeit belatedly and dressed up in weasel words, has finally made the management do the right thing.

Here here D/L, the decision two years too late like but better than never. A reminder when Yorkshire got shut of Ajmal Shazhad in similar circumstances, especially when bowling options were thin on the ground, but it proved to be a fantastic decision.

This argument of England management not managing KP well is just nonsense. An international player who has scored 8000+ test runs should able to manage himself, more so when most of the England players are under-performing or transisting from county cricket to international cricket.

It's reported that Cook had a major say in the decision to sack Pietersen, AP. His stock will have risen in the eyes of many if this is so.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:17 pm

D/L wrote:
sussexpob wrote:...KP could now be an example of what an International cricket with no International connections can make on the T20 circuit.... could it be the start of others following suit if he is successful?

No. They have to be a "name" in international cricket to command the big payments on the "hit and giggle" circuit. To become a "name" they have to play and succeed in international cricket.


Yuvrag Singh's career is probably over, and he commands a huge salary in IPL... Uthappia also does, as does Yusuf Pathan, and Dave Hussey also
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Albondiga » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:23 pm

It's been said that his cricketing career with England was terminated for cricketing reasons ---- well there's more to playing cricket than just scoring runs as important as that is. and being a team member is one of them. I always got the impression that he got out at the wrong time (all this from a distance of course) and although nowadays you seem to have to a certain "arrogance" to be one of the "greats" it was his arrogance that used to get him out.

He was a fine player despite being vulnerable to the ball that left him but you're not a great batsman if you can't play slow left arm bowling.

If the dressing room is better for him not being there then it's the correct decision but whatever the reason for not picking him it's a brave one.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:33 pm

Albondiga wrote:well there's more to playing cricket than just scoring runs


Such as? Doesnt a better dressing room environment simply mean you want to channel it to score more runs? Or is cricket now simply an expression of male bonding for everyone to enjoy
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:36 pm

I don't buy into the dressing room harmony bit.

After all, how many of us in our own workplaces have the odd numpty? We still have to get on with what we're doing regardless.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:40 pm

Aidan11 wrote:I don't buy into the dressing room harmony bit.

After all, how many of us in our own workplaces have the odd numpty? We still have to get on with what we're doing regardless.


But if that numpty happens to criticise his boss, team leader as well? Problem is, we all speculating as to why he has been sacked, so to speak. KP may be the 'scapegoat' or he may be hated by all and sundry.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:42 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:I don't buy into the dressing room harmony bit.

After all, how many of us in our own workplaces have the odd numpty? We still have to get on with what we're doing regardless.


But if that numpty happens to criticise his boss, team leader as well? Problem is, we all speculating as to why he has been sacked, so to speak. KP may be the 'scapegoat' or he may be hated by all and sundry.


I'm just looking forward to the various autobiographies (including KP's own) when the players retire. I suppose even then the libel laws might keep a lid on what has really happened.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:49 pm

Aidan11 wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:I don't buy into the dressing room harmony bit.

After all, how many of us in our own workplaces have the odd numpty? We still have to get on with what we're doing regardless.


But if that numpty happens to criticise his boss, team leader as well? Problem is, we all speculating as to why he has been sacked, so to speak. KP may be the 'scapegoat' or he may be hated by all and sundry.


I'm just looking forward to the various autobiographies (including KP's own) when the players retire. I suppose even then the libel laws might keep a lid on what has really happened.


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