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I don't suppose cricinfo is going to say MM isn't a candidate because he threw!

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I don't suppose cricinfo is going to say MM isn't a candidate because he threw!

bowling was tested and deemed legal so tbh if I could choose either Murali or Warne to play for India, I'd pick Murali.

Of the 3 selected I would pick SRT overall, but for tests I'd probably pick Kallis.

That's what I meant about criteria. UK watchers will mostly reflexly downrate ODIs.

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Best batter I've seen is Lara, best bowler, Warne. Depends what the criteria are. If I had a vote, I'd give it to Warne. SRT and Kallis would be reasonable choices though.

Red Devil wrote:I'd give it to Murali just to wind people up

No ball!

Red Devil wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I don't suppose cricinfo is going to say MM isn't a candidate because he threw!

bowling was tested and deemed legal...

Yes, and many will realise why and not just take that at face value. It won't wipe out the massive asterisk against his "bowling" figures, though.

After being given "Bharat Ratna" Sachin has now got "Cricketer of the generation" award. The onyl cricketer who has achieved so much success yet stayed very humble.Whereas other competitors lost their cool and sledged opponents.Rare sportsman in every aspect and deserved it.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... .html#jury

The jury for ESPNcricinfo's Cricketer of the Generation

Russel Arnold Former Sri Lanka allrounder; Sambit Bal Editor-in-chief, ESPNcricinfo; Habibul Bashar Former Bangladesh captain; Ian Bell England batsman; Rahul Bhattacharya Cricket writer and novelist; Harsha Bhogle Commentator, presenter and writer; Lawrence Booth Editor, Wisden Cricketers' Almanack; Geoffrey Boycott Former England batsman; Daniel Brettig Assistant editor, ESPNcricinfo; Mark Butcher Former England batsman; Ian Chappell Former Australia captain; Aakash Chopra Former India batsman; Ed Cowan Australia batsman; Mike Coward Cricket writer; Tony Cozier Commentator and writer; Martin Crowe Former New Zealand captain; Daryll Cullinan Former South Africa batsman; George Dobell Senior correspondent, ESPNcricinfo; Rahul Dravid Former India captain; Jeffrey Dujon Former West Indies wicketkeeper; Ramachandra Guha Historian and cricket writer; Gideon Haigh Cricket historian and writer; Michael Holding Former West Indies bowler; David Hopps UK editor, ESPNcricinfo; Tamim Iqbal Bangladesh batsman; Mahela Jayawardene Sri Lanka batsman and former captain; Gaurav Kalra Senior editor, ESPNcricinfo; Akram Khan Former Bangladesh batsman; Athar Ali Khan Former Bangladesh batsman; Younis Khan Pakistan batsman and former captain; VVS Laxman Former India batsman; Ranjan Madugalle Former Sri Lanka batsman; Sanjay Manjrekar Former India batsman; Suresh Menon Editor, Wisden India Almanack; Andrew Miller Editor, the Cricketer; Mark Nicholas Commentator, writer and presenter; Iain O'Brien Former New Zealand bowler; Mike Procter Former South Africa allrounder; Ramiz Raja Former Pakistan captain; Barry Richards Former South Africa batsman; Mark Richardson Former New Zealand batsman; Osman Samiuddin Sportswriter, the National; Kumar Sangakkara Former Sri Lanka captain; Mike Selvey Former England bowler; Ed Smith Former England batsman; Heath Streak Former Zimbabwe bowler; Mark Taylor Former Australia captain; Sharda Ugra Senior editor, ESPNcricinfo; John Wright Former New Zealand captain; Waqar Younis Former Pakistan bowler

Looked at the link...made the mistake of reading some of the attached comments on cricinfo ...blimey some silly stuff included !
Not necessary to disparage great players in order to praise others , but some cricinfo "fans" can't help themselves...

As to this (rather artificial) award : how can you argue against it ? Tendulkar's record speaks for itself

Of course , you could make just as good a case for Warne or Kallis... Reckon my vote might change depending on the mood I was in on the day

Murali was undeniably a great bowler , leaving aside any controversy over his action. But he didn't have Warne's skills as number eight bat and slip fielder as backup. And Lara , whose batting style might have won him many fans over Tendulkar , must surely bow to the weight of figures for the purposes of this ...

No problems with Sachin winning it. A great test and ODI batsman.

Alfie

If Sachin wins it on weight of runs, above the artistry of Lara, then Murali must be above Warne, through weight of wickets, and better average?

I am surprised that Warne was in contention for that award.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/1998/ ... 97968.html

Two of Australia's greatest cricketers - bowler Shane Warne and batsman Mark Waugh - have been involved in a betting scandal that has plunged the game into of one of its greatest crises of the modern era.

The Australian Cricket Board confirmed last night that it had fined Waugh and Warne for providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994.

adi

It is the cricketer of the generation award, not cricketer who is also a nice clean bloke award

clubcricketeradi wrote:I am surprised that Warne was in contention for that award.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/1998/ ... 97968.html

Two of Australia's greatest cricketers - bowler Shane Warne and batsman Mark Waugh - have been involved in a betting scandal that has plunged the game into of one of its greatest crises of the modern era.

The Australian Cricket Board confirmed last night that it had fined Waugh and Warne for providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994.

Slightly overstated.

Making_Splinters wrote:

clubcricketeradi wrote:I am surprised that Warne was in contention for that award.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/1998/ ... 97968.html

Two of Australia's greatest cricketers - bowler Shane Warne and batsman Mark Waugh - have been involved in a betting scandal that has plunged the game into of one of its greatest crises of the modern era.

The Australian Cricket Board confirmed last night that it had fined Waugh and Warne for providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994.

Slightly overstated.

Personally i don't like players who maintain a contact with bookies. I hope that what i read is not true.

clubcricketeradi wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:

clubcricketeradi wrote:I am surprised that Warne was in contention for that award.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/1998/ ... 97968.html

Two of Australia's greatest cricketers - bowler Shane Warne and batsman Mark Waugh - have been involved in a betting scandal that has plunged the game into of one of its greatest crises of the modern era.

The Australian Cricket Board confirmed last night that it had fined Waugh and Warne for providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994.

Slightly overstated.

Personally i don't like players who maintain a contact with bookies. I hope that what i read is not true.

It's completely true, however, to describe it as one of the greatest crises of the modern era is hyperbole.

alfie wrote:Murali was undeniably a great bowler...

Many would dispute the word "bowler" to describe what he did. "Great" is less controversial, as a description of the number of wickets credited to him.