Is Peter Moores the right man for the England Job

[sussexpob]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

[sussexpob]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Shame that he couldn't be around to lure James Pattinson over.

James Pattinson is qualified to represent England also, but actually stated before that he rejected county contracts as a youngster based on the way Darren was treated by the ECB and English press. Before that I think he was based in England and moved to Australia as a result to commit to them

[SaintPowelly]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

I wasn't criticising Moores for it, my memory is poor and im trying to get my timeline right, if I was Tremlett I would of retired from International cricket that day.

[braveneutral]

I can imagine that it would be quite a significant factor in making a decision between two countries.

[SaintPowelly]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Shame that he couldn't be around to lure James Pattinson over.

James Pattinson is qualified to represent England also, but actually stated before that he rejected county contracts as a youngster based on the way Darren was treated by the ECB and English press. Before that I think he was based in England and moved to Australia as a result to commit to them

I wonder how often 2 brothers have represented different countries in cricket ? I know the Boateng brothers do it in football

[sussexpob]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

I wasn't criticising Moores for it, my memory is poor and im trying to get my timeline right, if I was Tremlett I would of retired from International cricket that day.

Tremlett had a reputation for being a bad boy at the time, and despite an impressive series vs India when I thought he looked brilliant at times (and if memory serves, he had to bowl on a DEAD wicket at the Oval).... Vaughan was also said to be not his biggest of fans.

[sussexpob]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Shame that he couldn't be around to lure James Pattinson over.

James Pattinson is qualified to represent England also, but actually stated before that he rejected county contracts as a youngster based on the way Darren was treated by the ECB and English press. Before that I think he was based in England and moved to Australia as a result to commit to them

I wonder how often 2 brothers have represented different countries in cricket ? I know the Boateng brothers do it in football

Ed Joyce has two twin sisters and two or three brothers who represented Ireland when he was playing for England

[SaintPowelly]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

I wasn't criticising Moores for it, my memory is poor and im trying to get my timeline right, if I was Tremlett I would of retired from International cricket that day.

Tremlett had a reputation for being a bad boy at the time, and despite an impressive series vs India when I thought he looked brilliant at times (and if memory serves, he had to bowl on a DEAD wicket at the Oval).... Vaughan was also said to be not his biggest of fans.

I'm not sure where you hear about him being a bad boy, because the main thing Tremlett was criticised for was not being hostile and aggressive enough, on the numerous occasions I met him, he always seemed shy, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him. Vaughan didn't like him, that was because Tremlett hit him in the nets prior to one of the 2005 Ashes tests and nearly cost him his place.

But prior to that 2008 Headingley test, Tremlett was red hot, in 2007 Shane Warne and Stuart Clark ( Hampshires 2 overseas ) worked alot with Tremlett on altering his run up to get the best out of him, and then when Shane Bond arrived in 2008 he put the finishing touches on what Clark had started.

His stats for those seasons don't tell the full story, but he was bowling incredibly well, and I firmly believe that set him back A LONG WAY.

[sussexpob]

I'm not sure where you hear about him being a bad boy, because the main thing Tremlett was criticised for was not being hostile and aggressive enough, on the numerous occasions I met him, he always seemed shy, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him. Vaughan didn't like him, that was because Tremlett hit him in the nets prior to one of the 2005 Ashes tests and nearly cost him his place.

But prior to that 2008 Headingley test, Tremlett was red hot, in 2007 Shane Warne and Stuart Clark ( Hampshires 2 overseas ) worked alot with Tremlett on altering his run up to get the best out of him, and then when Shane Bond arrived in 2008 he put the finishing touches on what Clark had started.

His stats for those seasons don't tell the full story, but he was bowling incredibly well, and I firmly believe that set him back A LONG WAY.

I cant tell you where it come from, but in the mid 2000's it was always said that he had a disruptive and negative attitude, and was a reason often cited for his lack of improvement and performance at times. I cant say I agree, that is what was said at the time though.

You don't need to convince me. I have said numerous times that he was the most impressive England pace bowler I have seen in the last 20 years, both at county and international level. When he got it right he was better than anybody. Ever since his debut season, had he been fit, he was on my team sheet. And I campaigned for his return whole heartedly for years after that India series.

As I said though... his fitness and his attitude problems were always a reason given in return.

[D/L]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

I wasn't criticising Moores for it, my memory is poor and im trying to get my timeline right, if I was Tremlett I would of retired from International cricket that day.

Hoggard should have been selected for that match, on his home track, and with Graham Smith being his "bunny". Pattinson's selection was one of the daftest in recent years, right up there with Panesar's at Adelaide and Melbourne last year. I seem to remember that Pattinson's selection was one of Vaughan's masterstrokes, along with the dropping of Hoggard earlier that year in New Zealand.

[sussexpob]

Wasn't Peter Moores in charge when we had the Darren Pattinson fiasco ??

Read the original post. Moores came out after this test to blame Vaughan, saying at the selection meeting Vaughan wanted a seamer who knew the track and had picked him. Vaughan in return talked in the team solidarity way, and Moores betrayal lead to the initial breakdown in the dressing room between his captain and coach

I wasn't criticising Moores for it, my memory is poor and im trying to get my timeline right, if I was Tremlett I would of retired from International cricket that day.

Hoggard should have been selected for that match, on his home track, and with Graham Smith being his "bunny". Pattinson's selection was one of the daftest in recent years, right up there with Panesar's at Adelaide and Melbourne last year. I seem to remember that Pattinson's selection was one of Vaughan's masterstrokes, along with the dropping of Hoggard earlier that year in New Zealand.

I think Hoggard had been battling some personal demons by his own admission in NZ, not sure what his state of mind was by that stage. At 31 though, England were certainly quick to get rid of a guy who had been a proud servant of English cricket for a long time.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Tremlett had a reputation for being a bad boy at the time, and despite an impressive series vs India when I thought he looked brilliant at times (and if memory serves, he had to bowl on a DEAD wicket at the Oval).... Vaughan was also said to be not his biggest of fans.

I remember about that time maybe 2009, Vaughan and Fletcher came in to do some tms commentary, and Vaughan picked out Tremlett's injuries as one of his biggest regrets of his time in charge. Both rated him very highly. (I know Fletch never picked him).

[sussexpob]

Tremlett had a reputation for being a bad boy at the time, and despite an impressive series vs India when I thought he looked brilliant at times (and if memory serves, he had to bowl on a DEAD wicket at the Oval).... Vaughan was also said to be not his biggest of fans.

I remember about that time maybe 2009, Vaughan and Fletcher came in to do some tms commentary, and Vaughan picked out Tremlett's injuries as one of his biggest regrets of his time in charge. Both rated him very highly. (I know Fletch never picked him).

Not true at all. When Flintoff broke down after the Australia series and the World Cup they looked at Stuart Broad to come into the team as an allround replacement, scared that Sidebottom/Anderson/Panesar would leave them with too much of a tail.

When they came to the NZ Old Trafford Broad had by memory score a few decent knocks, and despite the forecast of a bouncy and fast Old Trafford wicket Vaughan came out to say they would stick with Broad because they felt the youngsters in the team needed time and had shown promise.... Tremlett was fit all that year and didnt play, in fact he was possibly in most squads. When Anderson nearly decapitated Flynn in the first innings sending him to hospital with a vicious bouncing ball to the helmet, knocking out his teeth, the case for not selecting Tremlett on such a pitch was a very large focus of the aftermatch debate. Most of it was masked because Anderson had his best test match of career, single handedly destroying NZ.

We then know that Moores wanted Tremlett to play at Trent Bridge vs South Africa as he was the 12th man that test and Moores had said that Tremlett had been retained with the team all summer, but Vaughan had vetoed it in favour of Pattinson. Hoggard had broken down in NZ, Harmison was finished, Flintoff was coming back from serious injury and was expected not to get through many, Sijo was finished, Broad had yet to take more than 2 wickets in a test and by memory Panesar was off form a little, with Collingwood so often expected to be England's fifth bowler also injured.

There was nothing in the pitch that suggested it would favour Pattinson, a fact that Moores would subsequently allude to by saying that it was Vaughan who insisted a bowler who could pitch the ball up would be successful. Even Vaughan admits that that selection puzzled his team when he said Pattinsons pick over Tremlett had "effected morale" in the match.

So I very much doubt that, seeing as though the coach and his team disagreed, Vaughan rated Tremlett that highly but did nothing to pick him even when he was fit and playing on pitches that were tailor made for his bowling.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Fair enough. I can't remember so I accept your recollection. But nonetheless, Vaughan did say that, which seemed quite a big statement to make.

[Durhamfootman]

perhaps Vaughan was hoping to become Tremlett's manager when he said that

cynical old sod, that I am