Is Peter Moores the right man for the England Job

[Alviro Patterson]

Moores does well when key players perform. He is an abject failure when things stop being a computer simulation win button. Wax and wane all you want about England and Sussex, you won’t find much admiration from those in the member’s bar who have to deal with the man in the present.

Sounds like Peter Moores loves a game of International Cricket Captain, I just knew it all along!

[Aidan11]

For me Moores should only get the job if it comes down to two candidates - him and Giles.

[hopeforthebest]

Wasn't the Notts coach Nevill also at logger heads with KP? Which means he and Moores now feel free to go for this vacancy thinking the ECB will favour anyone with an anti KP history.

[hopeforthebest]

Wasn't the Notts coach Nevill Newell also at logger heads with KP? Which means he and Moores now feel free to go for this vacancy thinking the ECB will favour anyone with an anti KP history.

[sussexpob]

Spoken like someone who merely follows results rather than knowing much about the details of the County game.

Interesting comment Splints, I would probably say the same of your own opinion though.

In 2006 and 2007 you had a team that competed. When you look at that team in those years, you had Mal Loye, Sutcliffe, Murali, Mullaney, Saj Mahmood (who was performing well enough to be a test pick), Dom Cork, Brad Hodge and Stuart Law. Once Moores took over you had guys like Ashwell Prince and Laxman who stepped up, but the true is as times have wore on your ability to replace like for like quality has been taken away by the financial losses you spent on re-developing your ground.

In fact, the team Moores was left to deal with is not fit to lace the boots of those you used to have, and its a miracle that Moores managed to put something competitive out at the same time it is clear money was tight and you were hardly signing any players.

Your relegation was always going to happen with the squad he was left with, the same happened to us when we tried to flog the death out of an ageing squad and a bunch of random poor quality additions. The fact he bloody won the thing with possibly the worst team I can remember is something to behold, and your attitude and those "in the clubhouse" is probably one of the reasons your county have failed so miserably for 77 years. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

[Making_Splinters]

Spoken like someone who merely follows results rather than knowing much about the details of the County game.

Your relegation was always going to happen with the squad he was left with, the same happened to us when we tried to flog the death out of an ageing squad and a bunch of random poor quality additions. The fact he bloody won the thing with possibly the worst team I can remember is something to behold, and your attitude and those "in the clubhouse" is probably one of the reasons your county have failed so miserably for 77 years. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Rather a large dose of hyperbole there, Sussex.

You seem, for some reason, determined to push the message that Moores should take credit for Lancashire's Championship win, though you don't seem to have found much support for that. At the same time you seem to want to absolve any blame from Moores for our 2012 season. Can't have it both ways.

[pompeymeowth]

Peter Moores is a legend as far as I'm concerned. I don't know much about how Lancashire won the CC that season, but I know plenty about watching Sussex for those years he was with us. Other teams would turn up from their hotels on day 1 at Hove, to find that the men of Sussex were already on the field doing their drills, it could also be argued that we should have won even more trophies than we did, thanks to the excellent groundwork Peter did while he was at the county.

I think he could do an excellent job for England, given the chance.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Hasn't he had a chance?

I'm not sure someone who will come in and set drills is what we need. All that is already part of the process. We need someone who less dogmatic, and more flexible than Flower was.

[Slipstream]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... er-6922435


If Moores got the job who would his support staff be? I hope Gooch wouldn't stay on. Would he cut the backroom staff down. Would he work well in the selection panel of Giles, Fraser, Whitaker? Whitaker was the selector who identified Pattinson as a specialist swing bowler when he was a seam bowler. It's hard to know what coach would suit the England team.

[hopeforthebest]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... hoice.html

[sussexpob]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/10750641/England-one-day-coach-Ashley-Giles-still-the-right-choice.html

I got as far as "by Steve James" ....

[sussexpob]

Spoken like someone who merely follows results rather than knowing much about the details of the County game.

Your relegation was always going to happen with the squad he was left with, the same happened to us when we tried to flog the death out of an ageing squad and a bunch of random poor quality additions. The fact he bloody won the thing with possibly the worst team I can remember is something to behold, and your attitude and those "in the clubhouse" is probably one of the reasons your county have failed so miserably for 77 years. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Rather a large dose of hyperbole there, Sussex.

You seem, for some reason, determined to push the message that Moores should take credit for Lancashire's Championship win, though you don't seem to have found much support for that. At the same time you seem to want to absolve any blame from Moores for our 2012 season. Can't have it both ways.

Before the 2011 season your county had just posted a record financial loss for a cricket club, your captain was telling the media there was a strong chance of relegation, and you had lost 15,000 test runs worth of talent from your batting line up along with your keeper, while your bowling was being propped up by two guys who were 38 and 36 respectively!!!

The club were in no position to buy anymore talent in, in fact they scrapped the bottom of the bargain basement to sign two international players that hardly featured, one a 20 year old Pakistani prospect, the other a test all rounder of reasonable experience who averaged18 with the bat and 65 with the ball.... and they did say no more domestic players would be signed, and that the two Asian lads were signed under very modest contracts (probably the reason they only featured in one game/ five games as the money dried up)... Its hardly the 5th top run scorer in test history coming into bat after the top wicket taker in the history of the International game has just bowled them out, like it used to be.

Moores had nothing to do with your dilapidated ground losing test matches, and had nothing to do with the idea to spend 6 years worth of cricketing budget building a horrific red cube in the corner of your ground, and also had nothing to do with the subsequent struggles with the retailing company that delayed the ground revival and spiralled the legal costs and administration fees it took to take it to the judges.

What he did do was take a team that had been weakened gradually by 2-4 years of increased tightening of the funds, and at the counties lowest ebb off the field, turn what players were left after the massacre into a team that performed better than anyone else that year. What happened after that was just delayed, you cant take all the investment out of a club, tell a guy he cant sign anything but the cheapest cast offs (Its rumoured that Pakistan's top earners get 40k from their board, Junaid Khan must have been on minimum wage!) and expect him to pull rabbits out of hats time and time again.

Do you really think his squad in 2012 was better than other teams? Compare it to someothers, it was probably par for the course they got relegated.

[D/L]

"Is Peter Moores the right man for the England Job?"

He seemed to be once, did OK, and seems to have done OK at county level since. He had the misfortune of falling out with Pietersen before the ECB fully realised what Pietersen was like and may have gone on to do even better.

He's as good as any other candidate, it would seem to me.

One down side though, may be we get Prior behind the stumps again.

[Making_Splinters]

Spoken like someone who merely follows results rather than knowing much about the details of the County game.

Your relegation was always going to happen with the squad he was left with, the same happened to us when we tried to flog the death out of an ageing squad and a bunch of random poor quality additions. The fact he bloody won the thing with possibly the worst team I can remember is something to behold, and your attitude and those "in the clubhouse" is probably one of the reasons your county have failed so miserably for 77 years. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Rather a large dose of hyperbole there, Sussex.

You seem, for some reason, determined to push the message that Moores should take credit for Lancashire's Championship win, though you don't seem to have found much support for that. At the same time you seem to want to absolve any blame from Moores for our 2012 season. Can't have it both ways.

Before the 2011 season your county had just posted a record financial loss for a cricket club, your captain was telling the media there was a strong chance of relegation, and you had lost 15,000 test runs worth of talent from your batting line up along with your keeper, while your bowling was being propped up by two guys who were 38 and 36 respectively!!!

The club were in no position to buy anymore talent in, in fact they scrapped the bottom of the bargain basement to sign two international players that hardly featured, one a 20 year old Pakistani prospect, the other a test all rounder of reasonable experience who averaged18 with the bat and 65 with the ball.... and they did say no more domestic players would be signed, and that the two Asian lads were signed under very modest contracts (probably the reason they only featured in one game/ five games as the money dried up)... Its hardly the 5th top run scorer in test history coming into bat after the top wicket taker in the history of the International game has just bowled them out, like it used to be.

Moores had nothing to do with your dilapidated ground losing test matches, and had nothing to do with the idea to spend 6 years worth of cricketing budget building a horrific red cube in the corner of your ground, and also had nothing to do with the subsequent struggles with the retailing company that delayed the ground revival and spiralled the legal costs and administration fees it took to take it to the judges.

What he did do was take a team that had been weakened gradually by 2-4 years of increased tightening of the funds, and at the counties lowest ebb off the field, turn what players were left after the massacre into a team that performed better than anyone else that year. What happened after that was just delayed, you cant take all the investment out of a club, tell a guy he cant sign anything but the cheapest cast offs (Its rumoured that Pakistan's top earners get 40k from their board, Junaid Khan must have been on minimum wage!) and expect him to pull rabbits out of hats time and time again.

Do you really think his squad in 2012 was better than other teams? Compare it to someothers, it was probably par for the course they got relegated.

More hyperbole, and half truths. Sutton was no great loss, nor was Loye. Overseas players come and go, it has been a long time since most counties had a player who was strongly tied to the club. Of course we won the Championship without Prince then were regated with him. Your comment about signings is, of course, complete nonsense. The funds were there for Moores to spend, he chose to buy in completely pointless signings and did nothing to fix the hole in the batting which most Lancashire fans had been pointing out for seasons.

As for the the bowling being "propped" up, Chapple is still one of the highest regarded bowlers in England, Keedy had been a fine performer for decades and was right through till his last season with us. Hogg and Kerrigan are two names which are some what missing from your tale.

There seems to be nothing which is going to get in the way of your hero worship of Moores.

[sussexpob]

More hyperbole, and half truths. Sutton was no great loss, nor was Loye. Overseas players come and go, it has been a long time since most counties had a player who was strongly tied to the club. Of course we won the Championship without Prince then were regated with him. Your comment about signings is, of course, complete nonsense. The funds were there for Moores to spend, he chose to buy in completely pointless signings and did nothing to fix the hole in the batting which most Lancashire fans had been pointing out for seasons.

From the clubs official website regarding the 2011 season....

The legal battle with Derwent nearly sapped the life out of the club, so much so that the club later admitted there were a couple of times they were not far away from running out of funds. There was certainly no money for any domestic signings, while overseas duo Farveez Maharoof and Junaid Khan could only arrive on “extremely modest terms

As for the the bowling being "propped" up, Chapple is still one of the highest regarded bowlers in England, Keedy had been a fine performer for decades and was right through till his last season with us. Hogg and Kerrigan are two names which are some what missing from your tale.

Kerrigan - Was given his county chance by Moores

Hogg - Had taken 70 wickets @ 40 in 8 seasons before Moores joined..... after 189 wickets @ 24 under Moores...... in fact, Moores has been credited as the man who got the potential out of Hogg

Chapple - I thought it was an established known that the reason why Chapple hasn't lost any pace and continues to bowl at 40 is the fact that Moores has managed his limited overs workload, and made sure he worked hard to get the fitness going? Certainly someone at Cricinfo said so at the end of last year.