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Re: England ODI selection

Postby rich1uk » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:47 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:"Leadership is unique and it takes time to develop. We believe Alastair still has the skills, the drive and enthusiasm, which are all great qualities, to instil the right direction and control of the players," Whitaker said. "He's fully respected within the group and, more than anything, we believe he is a very constant person.

"The highs and lows he's have over the last 12 months: it takes a unique sense of will to come through that. To keep getting up when you're knocked constantly and to show a degree of humbleness when you're doing well is unique in any leadership. We believe we have a unique leader and a unique person and that should not be underestimated."


Clearly in the eyes of the selectors (at least Moores and Whitaker) he is the Christ figure of England cricket. How over the top can one go.


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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:00 pm

Don't agree with much of that. Regarding being humble, he has been openly critical of his team mates, he makes it sound in interviews that everything is about him, he didn't take responsibility for the Ashes defeat (and ensured others did) and he was openly scathing of anyone who criticised him. He has useful drive, as a batter, but when the drive is hitched to the wrong cart, like captaincy, then surely it is counterproductive.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby ianp1970 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:13 pm

Maybe the time has come to have separate red/white ball captains?

Broad didn't appear to have a problem playing tests/odis under someone else as T20 captain. So if Cook (or any future test captain) merit a place in the white ball team, why should he necessarily have to be captain if that too?

Pick the best XI, then the best captain from those players.

It appears to me that the ECB place too much importance on the whole captaincy issue.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby rich1uk » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:15 pm

ianp1970 wrote:Maybe the time has come to have separate red/white ball captains?

Broad didn't appear to have a problem playing tests/odis under someone else as T20 captain. So if Cook (or any future test captain) merit a place in the white ball team, why should he necessarily have to be captain if that too?

Pick the best XI, then the best captain from those players.

It appears to me that the ECB place too much importance on the whole captaincy issue.


couldn't agree more

we are compromising selection of the ODI team by our insistence that the test captain should be the ODI captain too , and have held ourselves back like that for a while now apart from that brief period where Collingwood was in charge

Atherton, Hussein, Vaughan and strauss all played despite not being amongst the best batsmen in the format but just because they were captain
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:31 pm

I wonder if Cook will get a state funeral when we get mauled in Australia.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:56 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:I wonder if Cook will get a state funeral when we get mauled in Australia.


Hopefully in the tri-series, or at Sri Lanka.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:17 pm

Cook's fireproof. So is his lickspittle, Moores.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:10 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Cook's fireproof. So is his lickspittle, Moores.


Yet as much use as a chocolate fireguard in limited overs cricket
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:16 pm

I can to a certain extent see what England's faith in Cook is built on: He's not a natural one day player, but he is a top class batsman. Top quality players can score at a decent clip with the field spread even without clearing the ropes, and when he's at the top of his game you'd back him to do that.

Sadly he's in a terrible run of form, and I don't think in the modern ODI game you can get away with not being able to attack from the get go.

The biggest problem with Cook, is he's utterly useless at rotating the strike, meaning he'll eat up overs rather than playing the anchoring role through out the innings. The fact England have gone to so much trouble to praise him, when the results are clearly going the other way is worrying. They simply don't seem to have the capability to wake up and see how to play successful ODI cricket.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby andy » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:39 am

I would have liked to have seen Cook left out of odi side, i really would have...Hales and someone else would have been better option, but i also now really hope that after the world cup his odi career will be over, and that he can just concentrate on test match cricket..
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Slipstream » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:29 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... Trott.html

I think Trott will be back at number 3 for the World Cup.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Aidan11 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:57 am

Not a bad idea to test the water by putting him in the Lions.

It would still be a big step going into the full side though.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby rich1uk » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:57 pm

I would like to see trott back , despite my concerns over whether he is the player he was

however if it means we end up with a top 4 of cook, bell, trott and root I would despair

might help cure my insomnia tho
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:04 pm

Surely Hales will be opening. Not sure about Trott. Feels like a big throw of the dice with the WC close, when England have avoided making more adventurous changes.
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Re: England ODI selection

Postby meninblue » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:05 pm

rich1uk wrote:I would like to see trott back , despite my concerns over whether he is the player he was

however if it means we end up with a top 4 of cook, bell, trott and root I would despair

might help cure my insomnia tho


imo Trott is England's best ODI player. When he is in form he plays longer innings than other England batters and his consistency is probably better than rest of their batters. Without his runs (bad form or absence due to stress) England will definitely struggle.
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