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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby backfootpunch » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:15 pm

it is in the next year or so that we will find out a lot about the likes of pujara/kohli and rahane, this is the first major blip of their test careers

it is how they react to this period of low scores that will define there careers, can they find a way to score now that teams have started to figure ways of getting them out
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:18 pm

shankycricket wrote:I must admit my views against Shastri are more than a tad influenced by his monotonous, cliche ridden, BCCI scripted commentary. As a player though, he was a tough nut and one of the toughest cricketers to have played for India and he definitely is passionate about the team. If he could incorporate his cricketing qualities rather than his puppetry commentary skills into his new job, Indian cricket will be better for it. I, for one, am yet to be convinced but lets give him a fair chance.

If Duncan has an ounce of self respect left, he will resign. The BCCI secretary said in his statement that he has no powers left and that he "is not required". The writing is clearly on the wall.


Shastri might actually be a good inclusion since he does have lots of passion for indian cricket and it is obviously in BCCI interest for india to win games so I doubt he would do anything to harm india in the cricket field.

BCCI are clearly going the ECB way of appointing an person that control the non cricket and financial aspect of the game like Downton and Hugh Morris did for ECB.
I hope they do keep the Director of Cricket after the ODI series since I do actually like the role, since it very likely the new coaches isn't gonna be a selector and if India does get a new Captain not sure he will be a selector as well.
So Shastri or who ever does the role will be the one making sure Selectors and Coaches/Captain are thinking in the same wavelength.
Selectors in the past have picked the squad or teams that the captain is not happy with and selectors have also not picked certain players because Dhoni didn't use them *Cough Cough Yadav Cough Cough*.
I also read that Dhoni wanted the selectors to drop Sehwag, Harby, Zak and most of the senior players for him since he didn't want to do the deed and the selectors were also scared to drop the players.

So clearly India need a person that is a selector but also works with the team so they both want the same things.

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:37 pm

Surprised by some of Bumble comments on the changes to Indian side coaches.
Staggering news from BCCI re Fletcher and his staff ... Especially when they playing ODI's ...Nowt like Tests ...India should win easily

Real confusion at BCCI between Tests and ODI's ...India should win easily ...


BCCI have clearly stated they are not happy with india test performances not surprise considering fletcher lost 3 times to england all away test series in charge barring West indies 3 years ago.
Fletcher had been the target of severe public criticism through India's 8-0 run of defeats in England and Australia in 2011, but the BCCI stuck by him and renewed his contract for a year this April, with secretary Sanjay Patel saying the board had complete confidence in the coaching staff. Fletcher is now believed to have lost support and the BCCI seems keen on making the point that Tuesday's decision was not an abrupt one, rather the culmination of events over the past few months.

What hurt the BCCI hierarchy most was the manner in which India lost the three Tests in England this summer. It forced them to take notice and act swiftly. "The Indian team is not performing. What went wrong?" Anurag Thakur, the BCCI joint secretary, said. "You need to look at whether it was the coach and support staff, whether it was the selection of the team or there is problem in coordination. So at this stage, when the team for the ODIs has been picked, the best you can do is to have more people engaged who can work closely with the Indian cricket team.

The string of overseas series defeats was becoming unbearable under Fletcher's watch, one senior official said. "Some shake-up was needed. You can't just get blown away for three Tests in a row in less than 40 or 50 overs. Agreed the coaches are as good as the players, but if you are not evoking the same kind of confidence it does not help. The effort is there but if the results are not coming then people will raise questions."

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby SaintPowelly » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:28 pm

Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:35 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby SaintPowelly » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:37 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.


Because he doesn't perform often enough, and gets a free pass due to his fantastic ODI performances.

He is the Indian Eoin Morgan.
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby andy » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:01 pm

IMO Pujara will come through this blip with ease, the guy is class, no doubt about it, im sure he will score stacks of runs against the aussies.
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby backfootpunch » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:30 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.


someone who wafts about outside off will never score runs consistently outside of the sub continent

he has a long way to go, a brilliant ODI player as the ball rarely moves

big period for him now that teams are starting to figure out all they need to do is bowl just outside off and he will give them plenty of chances
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:38 pm

backfootpunch wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.


someone who wafts about outside off will never score runs consistently outside of the sub continent

he has a long way to go, a brilliant ODI player as the ball rarely moves

big period for him now that teams are starting to figure out all they need to do is bowl just outside off and he will give them plenty of chances


Not sure many of you saw his innings at the WACA or in the South African series.
Far too early to call him Subcontinental track bully.

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby backfootpunch » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:42 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
backfootpunch wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.


someone who wafts about outside off will never score runs consistently outside of the sub continent

he has a long way to go, a brilliant ODI player as the ball rarely moves

big period for him now that teams are starting to figure out all they need to do is bowl just outside off and he will give them plenty of chances


Not sure many of you saw his innings at the WACA or in the South African series.
Far too early to call him Subcontinental track bully.


thats why his low scores were a surprise as he had some success in those countries

you cant deny his looseness outside the off stump needs to be looked at, the way he fences at back of a length balls is not a good idea, if he learns to leave the ball better he could be a very important player in all conditions for india
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby backfootpunch » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:45 pm

just checked his averages, 50 at home compared to 33 away from home

he has a lot of work to do
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:49 pm

backfootpunch wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
backfootpunch wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Dhoni should step down as test captain, and let Kohli take over apparently. :lol:

Just a question why do you hate Kohli in Test Matches.


someone who wafts about outside off will never score runs consistently outside of the sub continent

he has a long way to go, a brilliant ODI player as the ball rarely moves

big period for him now that teams are starting to figure out all they need to do is bowl just outside off and he will give them plenty of chances


Not sure many of you saw his innings at the WACA or in the South African series.
Far too early to call him Subcontinental track bully.


thats why his low scores were a surprise as he had some success in those countries


you cant deny his looseness outside the off stump needs to be looked at, the way he fences at back of a length balls is not a good idea, if he learns to leave the ball better he could be a very important player in all conditions for india


Yeah although he did leave really well in SA and was the best batsman in Australia in 2011.
It might just be bad form since he hardly waft at balls outside the off stump in Australia or in SA only really seeing it now in england.
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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:54 pm

backfootpunch wrote:just checked his averages, 50 at home compared to 33 away from home

he has a lot of work to do


actually a misleading stat since Away stats came down due to the england tour.
before that his away stats were better than home.
I always felt Kohli would prefer quick and bouncy tracks than typical indian tracks since he does like pace to play his shots and isn't the greatest player of spin.

I would say currently England might be his bogey side/Country not sure he is the best suited to swinging and seaming conditions they were signs in NZ but he got away with it with starts and then an average boosting century.

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Re: Rebuilding india team for the Australian series and Beyo

Postby backfootpunch » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:27 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
backfootpunch wrote:just checked his averages, 50 at home compared to 33 away from home

he has a lot of work to do


actually a misleading stat since Away stats came down due to the england tour.
before that his away stats were better than home.
I always felt Kohli would prefer quick and bouncy tracks than typical indian tracks since he does like pace to play his shots and isn't the greatest player of spin.

I would say currently England might be his bogey side/Country not sure he is the best suited to swinging and seaming conditions they were signs in NZ but he got away with it with starts and then an average boosting century.


averaged very low in the windies as well

just checked that australia series, he had 4 low scores in the first two tests and scored runs when the series was over and pressure was off

he scored a 70 odd in the second innings of the third match when india had already lost both the series and the match, then his century came on a pitch that Australia scored 600 on

dont get me wrong i think he has enormous potential, just think he is far from the finished article in the form of the game that matters
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