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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:17 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:yeah i know apolgies lol


Adi's fault :-)
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:30 pm

England have picked a young squad, as per instructions of the new coach.

I don't think we have to defend the dropping of Bell.

Moeen would have been picked but for being asked to bowl for his county as prep for the Ashes.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby ianp1970 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:53 pm

Without Moeen to offer a possible 10 overs from the top 5, are we going to be brave enough to pick Stokes, Willey and Rashid? Can they get through over 25 overs between them?
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby dan08 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:00 pm

Bell will be gone forever hopefully.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:36 pm

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clubcricketeradi wrote:I don't think England selectors have learned anything from WC given the squad selected for series versus NZL. Many passengers packed yet again just like WC.


Really? Looks like the most dynamic squad England have selected for goodness knows how long.

Of the selected squad, this would be my XI

Roy, Hales, Taylor, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Willey, Rashid, Plunkett, Wood, Finn.


Bell (262) was the highest run scorer for England in WC. He gets dropped. Joe (202) was the second highest run scorer for England. Moeen (192) who was 3rd highest run scorer is dropped as well.Ideally a team looks to retain their top scorers but England are using reverse logic in dropping in form batsman and keeping out of form batters in team. This is not the first time that England selectors have used such tactics though. Again, the captain should be struggling to even make the second 11, but he is made as the captain of first 11. Apart from Joe and Jos everyone in that team is miserably out of form in ODI's. Add to it lot of inexperience. Whereas NZL are rocking having being finalists of WC and they unlike England are retaining their in form players. We will see soon whether this dynamic team actually wins them matches or not. To me this is another selection blunder which will lose them this series as well.


England's past selection policy would be to go back to the tried and tested i.e. Bopara, Bresnan, Tredwell, Samit, Wright and Dernbach. This is a completely different approach, probably not seen since the 2010 World Twenty20.

Ian Bell was horribly out of touch in the World Cup, could not time a ball. Taylor showed signs of form batting at 3 in Sri Lanka, before he shunted down to 6 so Moores can accommodate Ballance. Moeen Ali has been told to concentrate on red ball cricket.

The World Cup survivors are really Finn and Morgan, but these players are England's proven performers in limited overs cricket.

Time will tell whether the rookies will step up to the plate, but the squad assembled is an exciting one with lots of raw talent, both bat and ball.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:38 pm

dan08 wrote:Bell will be gone forever hopefully.


Unlikely he'll feature in the Champions Trophy and World Cup tournaments, by which he will be 35 and 37 years old. Bell is better off extending his test career.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby dan08 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:49 pm

It will be interesting to see if Tredwell comes back once he's returned from injury. I guess it depends on how Rashid goes here.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby andy » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:46 am

I dont think Tredwell will be around for the next world cup to be honest, its a shame for him, as he always gives 100% for England and never lets the side down, but you always feel that he was only chosen as a last resort, and he's better than that... i think Tredder's time has gone to be honest..
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:02 pm

I hope they stick with Rashid.

He deserves a long run in the side.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Dilbert » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:46 pm

Looks like the rebuilding is done and dusted....
An actual ODI performance from Eng for a change. Well done !
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby meninblue » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:23 pm

Dilbert wrote:Looks like the rebuilding is done and dusted....
An actual ODI performance from Eng for a change. Well done !


Only if they win few ODI series successively i would say they have improved as a team. Rebuilding is far from over, they need prolific ODI players to win consistently.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby alfie » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:58 am

clubcricketeradi wrote:
Dilbert wrote:Looks like the rebuilding is done and dusted....
An actual ODI performance from Eng for a change. Well done !


Only if they win few ODI series successively i would say they have improved as a team. Rebuilding is far from over, they need prolific ODI players to win consistently.



Long way to go , certainly , adi...but the change of approach is what is significant. Personnel will be adjusted (bowling looks a bit light at present) but as long as they continue this way we can say they are playing modern 50 over cricket.

Which at least gives them a chance.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby meninblue » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:29 am

alfie wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:
Dilbert wrote:Looks like the rebuilding is done and dusted....
An actual ODI performance from Eng for a change. Well done !


Only if they win few ODI series successively i would say they have improved as a team. Rebuilding is far from over, they need prolific ODI players to win consistently.



Long way to go , certainly , adi...but the change of approach is what is significant. Personnel will be adjusted (bowling looks a bit light at present) but as long as they continue this way we can say they are playing modern 50 over cricket.

Which at least gives them a chance.


This is England's problem. They won first, lost second match. Why cannot they win 5-0 one series and the next series at least in succession. There is no continuity at all. Other top teams can win few series continuously because they have prolific ODI players. These are high scoring grounds, so there is not much consolation in saying we played modern 50 over cricket. What matters is team won or lost series and whether they have ability to win many matches or series on trott. This confidence and habit or attitude is require in knockouts where every team has to win all of them to win WC. I clearly see England are still unable to achieve that confidence etc.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Gingerfinch » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:49 am

We are playing a very good kiwi side. 5-0 was never on the cards. A series win will be a massive improvement. We haven't got from zero to hero overnight, though we do seem to have improved, thanks to a more explosive batting line up. As alfie says, the bowling line up does look a little light, but it is work in progress.
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Re: Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:49 am

Completely new side as well. They've shown they have the range to make big scores, even if they haven't had chance to show consistency yet.
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