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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed May 13, 2015 1:14 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:I'd forgotten about Morgan.


Another great decision.

Piers?

might as well be
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Wed May 13, 2015 2:48 pm

Another good article among the many good ones today -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... story.html
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Wed May 13, 2015 3:22 pm

Once the KP dust has settled, Strauss can start addressing the issue of reducing the ridiculous cost of international ticket prices.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby DiligentDefence » Wed May 13, 2015 3:35 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Matthew Hayden suggests Dizzy & Langer might best look elsewhere...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32718137

I'd take anything Hayden says with a large pinch of salt.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed May 13, 2015 9:09 pm

I think any half decent coach should look elsewhere when the management are ruling out top quality players.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu May 14, 2015 9:00 am

We would never have had all this nonsense back in the days of the TCCB.

Back then, they would have phoned up Brian Close and asked him to take charge of everything. He would have gone round to see all the different factions, taken them out the back, given them a good kicking, and sorted it all out at source

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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu May 14, 2015 9:01 am

although not as much fun for the media
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby westoelad » Thu May 14, 2015 9:23 am

Making_Splinters wrote:I think any half decent coach should look elsewhere when the management are ruling out top quality players.

Alternatively,of course, any half decent coach will be aware of Pietersen' s fall outs with almost every team he's belonged to,want to form a team for the future,and decide an injury prone 34 year old with a history of causing disruption is not worthy of consideration.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu May 14, 2015 9:25 am

Looks like Cook has loaded the bullets in the KP issue and his mate Strauss had to fire the gun.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu May 14, 2015 9:43 am

KP fell out with the Notts team, from the moment he wanted to leave, but not since then, apart from some individuals. He isn't liked much by Cork, not a popular player himself. His England troubles were a product of his relationship with Flower. He left SA because of the quota system, for which he's since said he was wrong. Feedback from IPL teams and Surrey has been very good. Hants wanted him back and team mates from that time have been positive. Like the texts messages to his mates, it seems the most useful version is the best remembered one.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu May 14, 2015 9:56 am

westoelad wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:I think any half decent coach should look elsewhere when the management are ruling out top quality players.

Alternatively,of course, any half decent coach will be aware of Pietersen' s fall outs with almost every team he's belonged to,want to form a team for the future,and decide an injury prone 34 year old with a history of causing disruption is not worthy of consideration.


Not the point being made.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Albondiga » Thu May 14, 2015 10:45 am

I 've read again many of the posts on the subjects of ECB Director of cricket - chief coach - captains of Tests ODI & 20/20. I've read that Downton was useless - that Fowler was useless -
that Strauss was a useless captain (over defensive) and will be a useless Director of cricket that Moores was useless, (he should never have been given a second term) that Morgan was useless and presumably whoever is appointed the new coach will be useless. During this period we have had a number of players selected who perhaps were/are just not good enough and we have had a number of players who were good enough who, for one reason or another, no longer play.

Strauss was a good batsman and decent captain. He was selected as captain after Petersen & Flintoff had had a go and should have been appointed instead of them. Good players that they were it was pretty obvious that neither Petersen or Flintoff were captaincy material. Now he is Director of Cricket and I would suggest that he might well make a decent fist of that too.
I can't see him making mistakes like Broad as 20/20 Captain and suspect that Cooke has a few games left in him as long as he's scoring some runs. I've not heard much talk on a replacement
for Cooke other than Root. He may well be the next captain but I would suggest that he should be given a more settled team and coach to work with before that appointment is made. With Strauss as Director of Cricket I believe that he has a better chance of that than would have been the case had Stauss not been appointed;
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby westoelad » Thu May 14, 2015 10:55 am

Making_Splinters wrote:
westoelad wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:I think any half decent coach should look elsewhere when the management are ruling out top quality players.

Alternatively,of course, any half decent coach will be aware of Pietersen' s fall outs with almost every team he's belonged to,want to form a team for the future,and decide an injury prone 34 year old with a history of causing disruption is not worthy of consideration.


Not the point being made.

Care to clarify. I was only aware of Pietersen being ruled out,in effect, for disciplinary reasons. Are you saying management can't take disciplinary action?
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu May 14, 2015 11:15 am

Albondiga wrote:I 've read again many of the posts on the subjects of ECB Director of cricket - chief coach - captains of Tests ODI & 20/20. I've read that Downton was useless - that Fowler was useless -


Results make the tack justified. If England are losing badly, people will wonder why. Off field management has been a catastrophe.

For what it's worth, I'm sympathetic to Morgan who accepted a role he could succeed at.

But everyone else has a lot to answer for. On his first week of the job, Strauss leaked his intended sacking of Moores, to a sports news channel, while Moores was in the middle of an ODI. He showed scant knowledge of man management by telling KP he was not to be trusted, and then offering him a job coaching the team(!), and inheriting a scenario whereby KP was offered a way back into the England team, and then shutting that off again for no new reason. Concerns that Strauss may be too close the the players he is responsible for appear to be realistic.
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Re: Andrew Strauss - England's Director of Cricket

Postby westoelad » Thu May 14, 2015 11:45 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Albondiga wrote:I 've read again many of the posts on the subjects of ECB Director of cricket - chief coach - captains of Tests ODI & 20/20. I've read that Downton was useless - that Fowler was useless -


Results make the tack justified. If England are losing badly, people will wonder why. Off field management has been a catastrophe.

For what it's worth, I'm sympathetic to Morgan who accepted a role he could succeed at.

But everyone else has a lot to answer for. On his first week of the job, Strauss leaked his intended sacking of Moores, to a sports news channel, while Moores was in the middle of an ODI. He showed scant knowledge of man management by telling KP he was not to be trusted, and then offering him a job coaching the team(!), and inheriting a scenario whereby KP was offered a way back into the England team, and then shutting that off again for no new reason. Concerns that Strauss may be too close the the players he is responsible for appear to be realistic.

Everyone who knows Strauss says he's an intelligent, knowledgeable and principlined individual whose cricketing c.v. is exemplary. He has taken on a very challenging position for the sake of English cricket sacrificing a cushy lucrative position with Sky. There have been leaks coming from the ECB long before Strauss became involved so whether he was responsible for the Moores leak has to be questionable. Cook may have limitations as an England captain-I'm not arrogant enough to express an opinion-but his record as a Test batsman is almost indentical to Pietersen,8000+ runs, average 45+. If he doesn't want Pietersen in his team because he sees him disruptive so be it,is that not a captain's prerogative? Why,oh Why, can we not back 2 clearly genuine guys who are trying to do their best for Engish cricket?
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