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very good, ginger. I'd forgotten that he was in the kipper and the corpse

Durhamfootman wrote:very good, ginger. I'd forgotten that he was in the kipper and the corpse

One of my favourite FT episodes.

Gingerfinch wrote:

Durhamfootman wrote:very good, ginger. I'd forgotten that he was in the kipper and the corpse

One of my favourite FT episodes.

I liked the line about the British Leyland symphony.... in 12 movements.... all of them slow and with a 20 minute tea break in between

There has been a pantheon of wonderful British stage, tv and film actors since the war and Geoffrey Palmer was right there amongst them.

A joy to watch and listen to - a master of his craft.

Hi KJ. Good to hear from you.

Nice to remember Geoffrey Palmer, a distinctive personality with an easy to recognise voice across a variety of comedy. I think his biggest hit was probably Butterflies, a comedy drama. I'm a big fan of Reggie Perrin, but I think I most remember him for its loose spin off, A Fairly Secret Army. I recall him in an episode of The Avengers made in the mid sixties, but had a face that looked more apt as he got older.

KipperJohn wrote:There has been a pantheon of wonderful British stage, tv and film actors since the war and Geoffrey Palmer was right there amongst them.

A joy to watch and listen to - a master of his craft.

brilliant to hear from you again kipper. you've been a miss

Des O'Connor 88, a week after a fall. It never ceases to amaze me the effect on general health that a fall can have as people get older.

and Ray Clemence 72. No details yet, but it doesn't seem like it happened suddenly. The older I'm getting, the younger 72 seems to be

Feels like a football team of ex-players have died this year.

Peter Alliss, 89, unexpectedly

RIP

The voice of golf for those people who think golf exists for 4 days a year when the Open is on BBC.

For everyone else who loves the sport, he was a clueless, bitter, uneducated buffoon with a hatred of modern players and the modern game, and a penchant for making inappropriate comments about women and transgenders.

The worst type of BBC institution.

Not a fan, sussex?

I'm not going to agree or disagree on what he said but he did have a great voice for commentary

RIP

The obituary I read claimed "he displayed his peerless golf knowledge to the very end during Dustin Johnson's win in the Masters". The mention of Dustin was pretty ironic; I still remember Alliss spending a whole weekend thinking Zack Johnson was Dustin during the 2015 Open. It seems Alliss' peerless golf knowledge was so acute, he couldnt distinguish between a former Master's winner and world top 5 ranked player, and the hottest player in golf at the time (Dustin won player of the year at the end of that year, and hit World Number One shortly after). Imagine a PL commentator right now not knowing who Dominic Calvert-Lewin was, and thinking he was Lukaku still at Everton.... that was Alliss.

He apparently loved the game? Did he? All he ever did was moan about modern players. He hated golf past the point players made money, consumed by jealousy. Such moans might have shreds of truth in isolation, but they were premeditated and dogmatic and drew him into pathetic statements with regularity; I cant remember the tournament exactly, but I remember him launching into a rant about 10 years ago on a European tour contest that got cancelled because players in his day played in all conditions; the course was flooded, literally 3 foot under water at points. No one is playing in that unless they have a submarine. In American publications particularly he became a standing joke and people openly mused why this dinosaur was still roaming while elsewhere commentators came armed to the teeth with knowledge. While Alliss could tell you what the winner of the 1956 Open had for dinner and what amusing tales came from the after tournament p*ss up, past a certain point in history he had zero knowledge, and knew nothing about the golf he commentated on; meanwhile, someone like Butch Harmon could look at a swing and tell you by mms what coaching changes a player had put into his game. No comparison.

And then the voice of golf tag; how can someone who literally advocated against half the world playing the game be a voice for the sport? He should have been no platformed two decades ago for his frankly decades out of date views. And these werent coded or misunderstood; he literally stated in plain terms women were incapable of golfing, and it was a mens sport. He scathed about women holding him up on courses because they couldnt play. He called women golfers fat, commented on how short their skirts were. He was a total sexist a**hole of the worst type, and was the biggest influence in holding back women in the game, and its biggest growth market. He also made comments about Asian golfers that were like racist bingo. He attacked modern day male players who supported womens golf and campaigned for male only courses to open up to women. It wasnt passive sexism, it was open, hard line and active. How he could regularly and openly have such disgusting views and grace public television is a question the BBC should have been brought to answer. Imagine being a women golfer at a club getting crap and no opportunity, and turning on the TV to hear your tax money was paying for all those things to be aired on your TV too.

A horrible man who's loss to the sport will be a breath of fresh air. Good riddance. Golf can move onto the modern day without this gammon idiot trying to keep the game in the old elitist white mans realm. Classless, racist, sexist hater. I know women golfers who would probably destroy Alliss in his later years; its not women who hold up courses Peter, its fat, unfit OAPs who can no longer walk that hold me up. Maybe we should campaign for over 65s to get out the way for us real players.

Of course I dont mean that, because I am not an elitist ****. Golf should be for all, race/sex/creed. It never can be while dinosaurs of the old age like this still roam as its "voice".

Paulo Rossi, 64, long illness

the best player in the '82 world cup.... couldn't stop scoring

Barbara Windsor, 83, alzheimer's

a dreadful condition, but she's free of it now. RIP.

I haven't watched Eastenders since its first year, so I'll remember her mostly for her appearances in the Carry on films. Surprised to discover that she was only in 9 of them

"What a lovely looking pear"

"You took the words right out of my mouth"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIq7EZH ... =chatham43