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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:25 pm

Superb stat!
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby bigfluffylemon » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:59 am

Excellent work, Prof. However did you dig that one up?
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby meninblue » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:18 pm

Most wickets by Pace attacks in an year. Indian pace attack tops the all time list.

Attack - Year - Total Wickets in an year

Jasprit + Shami + Ishant - 2018 - 136

Garner + Holding + Marshall - 1984 - 130

Morkel + Ntini + Steyn - 2008 - 123

Ambrose + Marshall + Walsh - 1988 - 118

Morkel + Philander + Steyn - 2012 - 108
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby GarlicJam » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:20 pm

have you got the number of tests played, to go with that, Adi?

Good stat though.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:50 pm

This year: Bumrah-9, Shami-12, Ishant-11= 32.

1984: Garner-15, Marshall-15, Holding-10= 40

But the WI three took 195 wickets to India's 136.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:55 pm

SA trio took 171 in 41 games accumulatively in 2008. And 120 in 29 in 2012.

WI took 144 in 33 games between them in 1988.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:57 pm

The India total is right though. 136.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:17 am

Best and worst (coin) tossers in the history of the game (qualification: minimum 20 matches as captain)

By % of tosses won:

Lindsay Hassett (Aus) 75%
Joe Root (Eng) 75%
Alastair Campbell (Zim) 71%
Garfield Sobers (WI) 69%
Carl Hooper (WI) 68%

Sean Pollock (SA) 35%
Joe Darling (Aus) 33%
Wasim Akram (Pak) 32%
Bill Lawry (Aus) 32%
Len Hutton (Eng) 30%

Biggest statistical freaks:
Sobers: 27 of 39 tosses won, odds 0.71%
Hassett and Root: both 18 of 24 tosses won, odds 0.80%
Sanath Jayasuriya: 25 of 38 tosses won, odds 1.97%
Campbell: 15 of 21 tosses won, odds 2.59%
Peter May: 26 of 41 tosses won, odds 2.88%
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby meninblue » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:18 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:SA trio took 171 in 41 games accumulatively in 2008. And 120 in 29 in 2012.

WI took 144 in 33 games between them in 1988.



I got it from here. The added wickets taken by Indian pacers after that during third test.

Shows WI with 130 :hmmm

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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby meninblue » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:29 am

GarlicJam wrote:have you got the number of tests played, to go with that, Adi?

Good stat though.


Nope, I got it from screenshot which I have posted in post above this.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:09 am

Must mean playing in the same games together. Maybe the WI three didn't play so much together in 84. Though I suspect it's wrong as WI are 59 wickets ahead including all their wickets in the year. The India total includes the Melbourne Test.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby sussexpob » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:11 am

meninblue wrote:Most wickets by Pace attacks in an year. Indian pace attack tops the all time list.

Attack - Year - Total Wickets in an year

Jasprit + Shami + Ishant - 2018 - 136

Garner + Holding + Marshall - 1984 - 130

Morkel + Ntini + Steyn - 2008 - 123

Ambrose + Marshall + Walsh - 1988 - 118

Morkel + Philander + Steyn - 2012 - 108



The stat is wrong. Donald and Pollock I believe both took historically large totals in 1998 (Donald I believe 2nd most of all time, Pollock was top 10 for a pace).... together they must have taken around 150-160 wickets, which I believe stands as the record for a new ball partnership. Add in someone like Kallis to the three, who played in all their tests that year, you are left with an amount comfortably above any of these totals. Maybe even Fanie De Villiers, although he retired after the Australia series and didnt tour England.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby sussexpob » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:13 am

Checking the stats....

Kaliis - 24
Donald - 80
Pollock - 70

Total - 174.

All played in every single one of South Africas 14 tests.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby sussexpob » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:17 am

Its scary what South Africa could have achieved had Brett Schultz and Fanie stayed fit. Imagine trying to bat against that four man attack, with someone like Symcox and Pollock being able to bat and maybe offer spin into the equation when needed, so you can play all 4 together.

Theyd have crushed batting line ups to dust. Its obvious though with Kallis taking 24 wickets in 14 tests, by far the best 3rd bowler they had in 1998, that the fall away from the opening partnership was marked due to consistent injuries to their seamers. Ntini appeared at Headingly for the first time, but looked raw. His upwards motion I think met the then declining Donald, so the three never really peaked as a team sadly.
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Re: Truth, damn truth and Statistics

Postby meninblue » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:00 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Must mean playing in the same games together. Maybe the WI three didn't play so much together in 84. Though I suspect it's wrong as WI are 59 wickets ahead including all their wickets in the year. The India total includes the Melbourne Test.



It seems to be shown by broadcaster so doubt it is wrong. Perhaps it is case of some conditions like trio bowling together in all matches or something else.
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