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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby The Professor » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:38 pm

I think today was another day that showed up Joe's lack of acumen as a captain - but through no fault of his own.

The whole 'learn on the job' thing really was exposed today. He looked like he was being outmanoeuvred by an average looking Sri Lankan side.

Does 'Give your best batsman' the captaincy work?

Is Morgan the best player in the ODI side? No. Does he have immense captaincy skills? Yes.

Time to breed a new young player on captaincy rather than just give it to whoever might be undroppable.
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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby backfootpunch » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:18 am

Think he was let down by his spinners as much as anything

You expect Rashid to be inconsistent but moeen had an off day today

They were unable to bowl anything remotely close to a consistent line and length in the last session or so which can make a captain look silly
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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby meninblue » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:31 am

Poor captaincy by Joe today. Not enough fielders around the bat on day 4 wicket assisting spinners more than enough. At no point of time he had both FSL as well as Silly Point for spinners, when all three of England spinners were bowling well and a 300 run target to defend. SL were 26/3 as well. A lot of times he could have had 4 - 5 close fielders today , but he missed the tactic. At the most he was having just 3 on rare occasion.
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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:24 am

The Professor wrote:I think today was another day that showed up Joe's lack of acumen as a captain - but through no fault of his own.

The whole 'learn on the job' thing really was exposed today. He looked like he was being outmanoeuvred by an average looking Sri Lankan side.

Does 'Give your best batsman' the captaincy work?

Is Morgan the best player in the ODI side? No. Does he have immense captaincy skills? Yes.

Time to breed a new young player on captaincy rather than just give it to whoever might be undroppable.


Morgan has had the time to nuture his captaincy, since he was appointed as skipper for the 2015 Cricket World Cup and probably was England's top bat at the time. Bayliss being head coach and how England approach white ball cricket has also been a significant factor to the rise in Morgan's captaincy credentials.

In comparison the test team is going through a period of transition, a new top 3 and possibly new opening pace bowlers in future. Root is probably the only player less likely to be dropped so you need that reliability when it comes to leadership.
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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby meninblue » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:19 pm

I don't know why Joe root is so reluctant to have silly point even on spin friendly wickets and three spinners in team bowling so many overs.

Overall a magnificent series win under his captaincy having led england to 3-0 whitewash over SL.
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Re: Joe's captaincy watch

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:45 am

Root has captained England in 24 games now over seven series.

Won v SA (H)- 3-1.
Won v WI (H)- 2-1.
Lost v Australia (A)- 0-4.
Lost v NZ (A)- 0-1.
Drew v Pakistan- (H)- 1-1.
Won v India (H)- 4-1.
Won v SL (A)- 3-0.

Won 13, lost 9. Which is a fair record and includes a win against the world's best side. Although arguably his home record is down to James Anderson and his away record has room for improvement. Though these results come with Root shackled to their all time worse batting line up. Only he and Buttler average over 40 (of players involved in more than one series). Cook is/was the only opener to average more than 30.

It seems the often used argument that England had to retain Cook as skipper because there was no alternative didn't really hold up. People say Root relies on the dressing room when he is out in the middle, but the same was true of Cook. At least the gaffs and bad PR have improved.

Root averages 45.6 as captain so his input as a batter hasn't suffered greatly.
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