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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby KipperJohn » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:18 pm

Colin Cowdrey’s maiden Test century at the MCG on a difficult wicket on the 1954/55 tour was pivotal in that winning series under Hutton. 20 years later aged 42 he strode out at Perth to the bemusement of many Aussies to face Liillee and Thompson at their peak.
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby yuppie » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:42 pm

from_the_stands wrote:For me, I'm pretty fond of the '89 Ashes series. Australian cricket was still rebuilding and the English media were licking their lips at the prospect of the "worst team ever to tour England" coming their way. The Aussies had won the WC two years earlier, but were still struggling in the Test arena, and on paper, admittedly, we didn't look too strong. Some early tour squabbles between AB and Craig McDermott wasn't what the viewers at home wanted to see, but alas, McDermott would play no part in the series as Border marshalled his troops on their way to the record books. Indeed, Australia smashed England, with the urn then remaining in Oz hands for the best part of a generation. The three standout performances for me in that memorable series were Terry Alderman, who turned the England batting line-up into rabble, Steve Waugh, for his barn storming efforts with the bat, and Mark Taylor for his efforts opening the batting.

As the years have gone by, the likes of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath and others have made their contributions to Ashes mythology. If I was to select a top 5 Ashes warriors I've seen in my lifetime from each team, I'd go with the following;

Australia; SK Warne, Alderman, McGrath, Steve Waugh, and MJ for his crushing effort four years ago.
England; the tall blonde English medium pacer, Freddie Flintoff, Beefy Botham, KP, and probably Cook.


The 89 series was a great team. Aldermans 41 wickets in that series for me was as good as Warnes and MJs in later series. He just totally dominated the English batsman in that series. 6 test series though so two extra innings to get more wickets. He got 42 wickets in the 81 series but i was to young for that one. 83 test wickets in 12 test matches in England. Imagine what his record would have been if he only bowled in those conditions. Kinda crazy that Jimmy Andeson got selected ahead of him in arecent BBC pole for the all time ashes team
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:46 pm

KipperJohn wrote:Colin Cowdrey’s maiden Test century at the MCG on a difficult wicket on the 1954/55 tour was pivotal in that winning series under Hutton. 20 years later aged 42 he strode out at Perth to the bemusement of many Aussies to face Liillee and Thompson at their peak.

with several copies of the Herald stuffed inside his shirt if it is to be believed. He apparently greeted Jeff Thomson politely as he walked out to the crease, to which Tommo replied "that's not going to save you, Fatso"

He did as well as anyone in that test against 2 fast bowlers in their pomp, if memory serves.

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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:53 pm

yuppie wrote:The 89 series was a great team. Aldermans 41 wickets in that series for me was as good as Warnes and MJs in later series. He just totally dominated the English batsman in that series. 6 test series though so two extra innings to get more wickets. He got 42 wickets in the 81 series but i was to young for that one. 83 test wickets in 12 test matches in England. Imagine what his record would have been if he only bowled in those conditions. Kinda crazy that Jimmy Andeson got selected ahead of him in arecent BBC pole for the all time ashes team

it's just that Anderson is more recent and so more people remember him and vote accordingly. If there was a poll to determine the best 11 songs eve written, lots of the final 11 would have been written in the last 10 years
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:04 pm

also, Saint Jimmy's longevity. Which is pretty impressive.
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:58 pm

Not a great Ashes bowler though, you'd think crucially.
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:10 pm

who, Santiago?
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Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:16 pm

cricket archive appears to be a subscription thing now, so I can't check. He must have lots of ashes wickets surely? 50 plus, at least
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Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:18 pm

he must have 30 ashes wickets at TB alone. Not a good record in Aus, though, probably
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:48 pm

He had a great series in 10-11, but not on the scale of Alderman. Otherwise he had a good series in 2013 in England. But the average or poor series outnumber the good ones, and there are no outstanding one.

Average v Australia, 36.

At home 33.

Away, 38.

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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:49 pm

According to my search, he's played one Ashes Test at TB and took ten wickets.
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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:52 pm

Averages in Ashes games post WWI. Minimum 50 wickets.

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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby sussexpob » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:41 am

Durhamfootman wrote:and having now checked, he scored 766 runs in 5 matches, at an average of over 127, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in that series, and it was a series that was alive all the way through


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Re: Greatest Ashes performances?

Postby Dr Cricket » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:33 am

If it is ashes performances then cook up there with that series runs but if it based on ashes career then he isn’t.
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