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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby captaincolly » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:09 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Hard to imagine all the players wouldn't know what was happening. How could the bowlers not know?

Yep. Highly unlikely. Also if none of the other players or coaches knew it must mean the infamous "leadership group" is actually the duo of Smith & Warner! Bancroft is a rookie so wouldn't be part of the 'group.'
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:18 pm

Adi wrote:

Once Warner was accused of ball tampering in second match, it is said that role was passed to Cameron.

is there a suggestion that this might be the real reason for the bust up between Warner and de Kock?
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby captaincolly » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:42 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:
Adi wrote:

Once Warner was accused of ball tampering in second match, it is said that role was passed to Cameron.

is there a suggestion that this might be the real reason for the bust up between Warner and de Kock?

I haven't read anything along those lines but it sounds entirely plausible.

So all the signs are that some sort of draconian punishment is on the cards for the dastardly duo. I still think the reaction has been wildly over the top and agree with Bob Willis - stripping Smith of the captaincy and making it clear than neither he or Warner will be considered for the role in the future would be suitable punishment. Suggestions of a one year ban ( and I've even read suggestions of a life time ban!) seem ridiculously harsh. However I think a lengthy ban is highly likely.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby westoelad » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:08 pm

captaincolly wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:
Adi wrote:

Once Warner was accused of ball tampering in second match, it is said that role was passed to Cameron.

is there a suggestion that this might be the real reason for the bust up between Warner and de Kock?

I haven't read anything along those lines but it sounds entirely plausible.

So all the signs are that some sort of draconian punishment is on the cards for the dastardly duo. I still think the reaction has been wildly over the top and agree with Bob Willis - stripping Smith of the captaincy and making it clear than neither he or Warner will be considered for the role in the future would be suitable punishment. Suggestions of a one year ban ( and I've even read suggestions of a life time ban!) seem ridiculously harsh. However I think a lengthy ban is highly likely.

I think Warner has banned himself sine die with his recent contemptuous behaviour- the rest of the team have just ostracised him! It'll be interesting to see the media and sponsors reaction if Lehman remains in post although the strong rumours of him resigning must have some foundation.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby KipperJohn » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:11 pm

Wasn’t it Lyon who said something about ‘ending careers’ before the Ashes? How ironic.

I find this all very sad and whilst I appreciate the pain amongst the Aussie cricketing family, there is also a terrible malaise in international cricket generally which unfortunately merely mirrors behaviour in society generally.

Don’t grown up professional people understand what’s right and wrong anymore?
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:04 pm

Sounds like the squad are turning on Warner. This is getting even nastier.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby mikesiva » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 am

The bans are in. ...

Steve Smith 12 months
David warner 12 months
Cameron Bancroft 9 months
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby meninblue » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:42 am

Steven Smith and David Warner, formerly captain and vice-captain of Australia, have been banned for 12 months by Cricket Australia for their roles in the pre-meditated plan to tamper with the ball on the third day of the Cape Town Test against South Africa. Cameron Bancroft, the player to actually tamper with the ball, has been banned for nine months.

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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby GarlicJam » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:53 am

12 months ban from what though? Doesn't tell us if it is just playing for Australia, or all cricket in Australia - which I would expect pectoral it to be.

From what has been floating around the media, I was surprised by Bancroft's especially, but also thought that Warner would get more than Smith.

Still. CA has done what they have needed to do, imo. So far.
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Australia ball-tampering scandal

Postby meninblue » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:15 am

GarlicJam wrote:12 months ban from what though? Doesn't tell us if it is just playing for Australia, or all cricket in Australia - which I would expect pectoral it to be.

From what has been floating around the media, I was surprised by Bancroft's especially, but also thought that Warner would get more than Smith.

Still. CA has done what they have needed to do, imo. So far.



Also, Smith and Warner have been barred from captaining Australia for a period of two years.

I think CA has taken a good stand to bring back faith of cricket fans in Aussie cricket. it is a reasonably justified punishment. Who cared about one match ban of ICC. Now Aussie players will probably not dare to tamper the ball again knowing that a 1 year ban is the punishment. I think Cameron will definitely not buy a tape again in life :lol:
Warner might do something controversial again even after this ban as long as he is alive. There is no doubt about it. He never learns.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:53 am

Feels a bit too heavy this punishment,

But an advantage of its towering draconian scale is that any ball tampering in the future across the whole of cricket will be made in its shadow.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:57 am

12 month ban from all international and domestic cricket. The BCCI has also announced that Warner and Smith have been banned from the IPL for this season, and stood down as captains of their respective franchises.

Warner has been banned from leadership positions for life, and Smith and Bancroft at least one year.

Most damningly, the report says that sandpaper, not sticky tape, was used to alter the condition of the ball.

Presumably the three could still play domestic cricket overseas, if any board/competition would have them. I doubt anyone will.

This seems on the harsh side to me, but CA needed to send a message loud and clear that this will not be tolerated. Hopefully this means the Australian side will start to clean up their act.

In other news, there's still a cricket series going on. You have to feel a bit sorry for South Africa, especially Morne Morkel, whose achievements in this series have been overshadowed. South Africa are about to beat Australia at home for the first time in a good while. OK, Australia could draw the series, but with their two best batsmen out of the side, and morale in the camp likely to be rock bottom, it's hard to see anything other than South Africa victory in the fourth test.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby pompeymeowth » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:01 pm

KipperJohn wrote:Wasn’t it Lyon who said something about ‘ending careers’ before the Ashes? How ironic.

I find this all very sad and whilst I appreciate the pain amongst the Aussie cricketing family, there is also a terrible malaise in international cricket generally which unfortunately merely mirrors behaviour in society generally.

Don’t grown up professional people understand what’s right and wrong anymore?


Lyon seriously needs to have a long look in the mirror as well. the incident with De Villiers was disgraceful behaviour.
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby GarlicJam » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:03 pm

What, dropping the ball next to him as he ran past?

Disgraceful??
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Re: Australia in South Africa in 2018.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:04 pm

Not disgraceful, more disrespectful, and another example of the growing discourtesy and inconsiderate behaviour between fellow professionals in the modern game.

Can't go back to yesteryear when batsmen walked, fielders were prepared to accept a ball hadn't carried, bowlers didn't appeal if the ball was clearly missing the stumps, phlegm and chewing gum free zones, but something in between will do us all fine.

Mind you if the reports about WG Grace and the like are true, then bad sportsmanship in the game has always been rife!
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