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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby bigfluffylemon » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:38 pm

Nope, been filled by Matthew Motts, until recently coach of Australia women.

Would like to see Morgs join the England coaching set up though. He clearly knows how to manage and get the beat out of his players.

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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:25 pm

Its going to sound like an insult, but I think the best thing Morgan brought to his role as captain was to take a back seat and trust the quality of his side to speak for itself. I neither get the impression of him as being an inspirational leader, nor of a great tactician in the field - England haven't been a notably good fielding team in their period of recent success. Yet, I think that is what England needed. He might have been quiet and unassuming, but he also carried an air of unmistakable authority about him. He didn't need to read the riot act to get his players in line. He just realised he had a special team, and made sure those players had the support to go out and play in the style they did. If you get bowled out for 100, who cares... we go for 400 everytime. That's how you win World Cup's.... you have to be prepared and setup to beat the strongest sides. You'd assume that didnt need saying, but this is England in ODIs... when Morgan took over, they were still 30 years behind India and Australia.

But its not only as Captain that Morgan changed English cricket, really it was with the bat in hand he did that. When he arrived in an English shirt all those years back, there was a fear and suspicion that players who went to score runs at high run rates couldn't bat for long enough to win games. Morgan changed that - he smacked you around, and he made big contributions. The culture of fear in English cricket was so toxically implanted in the system of selection and management, it took a player like Morgan for people to believe in the type of players he was. If Morgan had last 5 games, we'd probably be lining up our test XI still now.

And my god, at his peak how good was he? Those wristy hockey shots he'd play cross batted, his ability to reverse the hands, those flicks off his pads he'd put into the stands, or the straightforward clubbing into the offside after giving himself room - part brutal, part creative genius, part audacious, part gracious. There was a period where KPs ODI form failed that Morgan was the only person you tuned into watch.... the only person who could save the innings after a Jonathan Trott 100 ball 50.

Maybe he had more worth as a test player. In hindsight, he performed a lot better than some who continued to replace him. He had a habit of planting that front foot across his stumps, but maybe a bit of coaching could have changed that.... maybe not.

All in all, he's been a delightful player to watch in an England shirt over the years, and an influential man who helped completely U-turn the team he lead from arguably the most embarrassing moment of England's cricket history (it was the data) to global domination and a World Cup win in 4 years. I wish him the best of retirements whatever he chooses to do, and he can walk away with his head held high.
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:56 pm

bigfluffylemon wrote:Nope, been filled by Matthew Motts, until recently coach of Australia women.

ah yes... Matthew Motts. I'd forgotten him already.

I wonder if Morgs fancies taking over at Durham... or better still fancies Colly's England job, so that Colly can come and take over at Durham

I remember that there was a period when Morgs form deserted him completely and the worse it got the more crouched his stance became until it looked as though he was about to sit on a toilet. Yet he overcame.... as great players do.

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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:57 pm

of course, the appointment of Rob Key as director means there is a very lucrative pundit spot on Sky up for grabs
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:16 am

sussexpob wrote:
All in all, he's been a delightful player to watch in an England shirt over the years, and an influential man who helped completely U-turn the team he lead from arguably the most embarrassing moment of England's cricket history (it was the data) to global domination and a World Cup win in 4 years. I wish him the best of retirements whatever he chooses to do, and he can walk away with his head held high.


Yes, agree. Good post. The change in the England ODI team maybe was inevitable after the Cook years, but it happened so swiftly and successfully on him taking over that it's obvious to call it the Morgan era. His team's way of playing was such a revolution that there was no media able to interpret it. I really think that isn't an exaggeration.

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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby westoelad » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:14 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:of course, the appointment of Rob Key as director means there is a very lucrative pundit spot on Sky up for grabs

He was qetting his feet under the table with Sky early on in the series. He seemed such an obvious choice to be ODI coach that I wonder if he had something else lined up. With Ireland?
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:33 pm

westoelad wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:of course, the appointment of Rob Key as director means there is a very lucrative pundit spot on Sky up for grabs

He was qetting his feet under the table with Sky early on in the series. He seemed such an obvious choice to be ODI coach that I wonder if he had something else lined up. With Ireland?


I am certainly not endorsing this view as my own, but would Ireland accept Morgan back with open arms? I have in the past read that he gets a lot of stick from a minority of brain dead individuals, claiming he ditched his country to play for the enemy. And when he recently stated he considered himself "English and Irish", social media burned with Irish people calling him Judas. I am pretty sure that these are the loud voices of the few, but still.... I wonder if the potential for being faced with such nonsense would make him step away from Irish cricket.

I mean, there were suggestions when Ireland became a test team that he would have the opportunity to go back to Ireland and play straight away with no qualification penalty. One of the O'Brien brothers even mentioned it (apparently they are best mates) before England and Ireland played, saying the door would be open.... but Morgan batted it off saying he didn't want to play for Ireland.

I mean, he might be from Dublin, but he's been an IPL and International player for most of his career.... I'd imagine leading Ireland would feel like a considerable step back for him, and while it sounds plausible, would be highly unlikely.
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:12 pm

Leics docked 2 points in the Dribble turning the winner take all match against Yorks into a dead rubber

going into the final round of matches, there is absolutely nothing at stake for anyone other than a bit of jockeying for position amongst the quarter finalists
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Slipstream » Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:39 am

England ODI squad vs South Africa:

Jos Buttler
Moeen Ali
Jonathan Bairstow
Brydon Carse
Sam Curran
Liam Livingstone
Craig Overton
Matthew Potts
Adil Rashid
Joe Root
Jason Roy
Phil Salt
Ben Stokes
Reece Topley
David Willey

England T20I squad vs South Africa:

Jos Buttler
Moeen Ali
Jonathan Bairstow
Harry Brook
Sam Curran
Richard Gleeson
Chris Jordan
Liam Livingstone
Dawid Malan
Adil Rashid
Jason Roy
Phil Salt
Reece Topley
David Willey
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby alfie » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 am

OK , who saw that coming ? Stokes no longer going to play ODI. Says he can't do justice in all three formats and is going to make sure he is right for Tests , though will continue to play t20.

Makes sense. The load on the body with all the stuff they play these days is enormous on an all rounder. Good for him ; and for England. Though they will have to think about just how they replace him in that middle order.

Sensible time to make the call , giving them plenty of time to adjust before WC next year.
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:17 am

Why not just pick him for the WC squad?
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Slipstream » Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:53 pm

He was saying it wouldn't be fair.

Salt replaced him but the real replacement is either Curran or Livingstone who also bowl. Stokes has played 105 ODIs but Curran has played 15 and Livingstone 11. So it is early days for them.

Livingstone seems to think it's showing off how far he can hit the ball, rather than constructing his innings. It seemed he was doing this until Curran hit two 6s and he couldn't help himself. Three 6's, the fourth was a nick for 4 and the fifth was out.
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:08 pm

BBC glorified the three sixes by showing a clip of them. Obviously they didn't include him brain deading himself out
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:59 am

Yorks have told captain Steven Patterson that he will leave at the end of the season. Feels premature, so I wonder if there's anything else going on. He's been there a long time, after all
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Re: English Cricket Thread

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:18 am

Durhamfootman wrote:Yorks have told captain Steven Patterson that he will leave at the end of the season. Feels premature, so I wonder if there's anything else going on. He's been there a long time, after all


I guess in someways the old fashioned part of me thinks a guy who's been your captain for several years and served your club as an excellent professional should never be released, as there is always room in the squad for a performing veteran or a back office job available....

Its not like with Fisher and Coad never fit, Patterson isnt playing or performing..... Yorkshire badly need some bowlers, and Patterson has been their most reliable option this year.

Maybe thats evidence of something not right.... but equally, he is 38/39.... I can understand why Yorkshire might say its time to go another direction.
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