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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:37 pm

yep russell is another one with decent record but haven't played the format for a while.
Russell did well in a A series against india 3-4 yrs ago.
took 10 wickets in 2 games.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby sussexpob » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:51 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Is it a shame, or is it the fact windies have simply embraced the future


Their 50 over side is as poor as the Test team. T20 barely exists at international level. So in terms of WI cricket, there's not a lot there.


More people watched the t20 final in the USA, than the whole of the last ashes series first test. The average attendance in the two big t20 leagues now ranks both Of them indivudually on average in the top 10 watched live sporting leagues. The last t20 world cup had nearly 800 million watches in India alone.

This is the format that has the money and viewers, why would windies players care about coming to an island with crap weather to make no money
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby andy » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:22 pm

Russell won't play tests...claims his knees are shot to bits
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:34 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Is it a shame, or is it the fact windies have simply embraced the future


Their 50 over side is as poor as the Test team. T20 barely exists at international level. So in terms of WI cricket, there's not a lot there.


More people watched the t20 final in the USA, than the whole of the last ashes series first test. The average attendance in the two big t20 leagues now ranks both Of them indivudually on average in the top 10 watched live sporting leagues. The last t20 world cup had nearly 800 million watches in India alone.

This is the format that has the money and viewers, why would windies players care about coming to an island with crap weather to make no money


It's not just the money though, why would any upcoming player want to play in a side that hasn't beaten a top test nation in a series for years?
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby andy » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:45 pm

Ramdin should be there instead of Dowrich too...know he's been dropped a few times, but better than dowrich 100%
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby mikesiva » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:33 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Is it a shame, or is it the fact windies have simply embraced the future


Their 50 over side is as poor as the Test team. T20 barely exists at international level. So in terms of WI cricket, there's not a lot there.

It depends what you mean by international level. When Lil bravo plays for Trinidad and Tobago against st kitts in front of a sold out crowd in port of Spain he feels he is playing for his country. The guys take the CPL very seriously. In the Caribbean the new generation of cricket fans see T20s as the format of the future. I have family members who only go to cricket in the summer when the CPL comes around. It's like wimbledon to them.

Only old people like me are still interested in test cricket in the Caribbean.

The good news is that Lil bravo has mended fences with the wicb and will play in the one day matches once the CPL is over.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby mikesiva » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:36 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:The main issue is that there simply isn't the quality of first class cricket in the Windies to produce players of a Test class reliably. Mike would know more, but I always seem to get the impression that domestic games in the Windies are basically low scoring and dominated by spinners.

Spot on.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:55 pm

Dennis's does cricket makes some good points.
First class system should be open to all countries like football.
Basically saying wi, Sri Lanka et all shouldn't need to have a strong first class system if they player could play overseas.
Basically only sa, England, India, aus and Pakistan should have first class system with the other nations domestic stuff mostly being t20 leagues.
They can have first class games as well but just like football the best players will play elsewhere.

Only issue with this is money really, no one really going to pay money for players if no one watches domestic sport only really England got passionate domestic cricket support.
Could have worked before t20 rise though.
at the moment only t20 leagues will give players domestic games in most conditions outside a tours.

Intresting aspect since in the future you expect more stronger one day teams than test team, is that because more players play white ball cricket around the world, in ultra competitive leagues.
The structure to produce white ball cricketers is far greater in more countries than producing red ball players which at the moment is mostly in 4-5 countries.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby The Professor » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:21 am

mikesiva wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:The main issue is that there simply isn't the quality of first class cricket in the Windies to produce players of a Test class reliably. Mike would know more, but I always seem to get the impression that domestic games in the Windies are basically low scoring and dominated by spinners.

Spot on.
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Dwayne Bravo
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Lendl Simmons
Chris gayle
Andre Russell
Sunil Narine


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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby andy » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:47 pm

Gayle and Samuels re-called for ODI series...Narine turns down selection saying he's not ready, as does darren Bravo
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Making_Splinters » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:58 pm

I wonder if Narine is worried about being called, yet again.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby andy » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:14 pm

wouldnt suprise me..not the first time has turned down selection...not been the same bowler for a while
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:35 pm

andy wrote:Been bowled out for under 200, and facing defeat in 3 days...


In fairness, England have just completed an entire home series against South Africa and the last test West Indies played was in May, so a lopsided result is not surprising.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby greyblazer » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:52 am

bhaveshgor wrote:yep russell is another one with decent record but haven't played the format for a while.
Russell did well in a A series against india 3-4 yrs ago.
took 10 wickets in 2 games.


Andre Russell's knees are bad to bowl 15-20 overs in a day. His doctors say that. He had once said in an interview: "I would like to play Tests but for my knees". They could have still tried him as a batsman, if that works. Not sure how much it would have helped, playing Russell just as a batsman. Of course, he is out of action now.
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Re: Is West Indies cricket dead ?

Postby Adi » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:03 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:I wonder if Narine is worried about being called, yet again.


:lol:

I read it as being called in the side over other more important T20 tourneys around the world.
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