How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:01 am

clubcricketeradi wrote:
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clubcricketeradi wrote:Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler :?: Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.


Chris Jordan's final two overs went for 15 and 14 runs, which suggests he is no better bowling at the death than Tim Bresnan or Jade Dernbach.


As far as overall career is concerned, Chris in no way can be compared to Bresnan at this point of time.Chris only merits a selection ahead of Bresnan on form basis, not experience.

The SR of 8 and SR of 23.5 is a huge difference although the re is hardly any significant difference in economy rates of Chris and Bresnan.

I won't be surprised if selectors recall Bresnan by dropping Jade. But i can't see him making a comeback by replacing Chris.So many out of form England players.Add to the fact that the spinners are struggling to pick enough wickets.Thinktank cannot afford to rest couple of players who are in form.If they dare to rest in form players then things can only get worse.

A bowling strike rate of 8 based upon 4 overs in a single match. :facepalm

On that basis, Jordan should replace Lumb at the top of the order for his close to 300 batting strike rate.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:13 am

World Twenty20: Tim Bresnan talks up England's chances

http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/9231683/world-twenty20-tim-bresnan-talks-up-englands-chances

"A couple of lads have been having good games, but you need three or four players to influence games and get you the win. We haven't really been able to do that."
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:27 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:Bresnans bowling in ODI this series has been very impressive in first ODI .However,his fielding is getting worse now as he has put down two wicket taking chances offered by West Indies.

Who is England's fielding coach?


After having dropped couple of catches and missed one run out chance in series versus WI,his bad fielding continues in this series too as he dropped one more catch versus Sri Lanka.

Broad to Dilshan, 1 run, oh dear, England. What is happening? That is dropped again, on the square leg fence. Short ball, Dilshan pulls, doesn't get it high enough and it's seemingly straight to Bresnan, but he shells it. Wet ball or no, there's no excuse
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby andy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:43 pm

his fielding is cleary getting worse and worse!
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:15 pm

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clubcricketeradi wrote:Bresnans bowling in ODI this series has been very impressive in first ODI .However,his fielding is getting worse now as he has put down two wicket taking chances offered by West Indies.

Who is England's fielding coach?


After having dropped couple of catches and missed one run out chance in series versus WI,his bad fielding continues in this series too as he dropped one more catch versus Sri Lanka.

Broad to Dilshan, 1 run, oh dear, England. What is happening? That is dropped again, on the square leg fence. Short ball, Dilshan pulls, doesn't get it high enough and it's seemingly straight to Bresnan, but he shells it. Wet ball or no, there's no excuse

Bresnan throws powerfully and accurately from deep straight into Buttler's gloves with the batsman out of his ground. It would have been a great piece of cricket had Buttler not swiped at thin air. Another instance saw Bresnan save 2 runs on the boundary with an impressive stop and accurate throw.

Jordan attempts to throw down the wickets from 20 yards with all 3 stumps to aim at but misses by about 6 feet. As poor a piece of fielding as anything else seen in this match, but no mention of it in the match thread from anyone else.

There were plenty of other catches dropped in this match for some reason. Perhaps the wet ball did have some bearing on it. Bresnan need have no fear of losing his place because of his fielding.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:17 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:his fielding is cleary getting worse and worse!

I don't know about that, but some peoples' powers of analysis clearly are (if they ever had any).
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:18 pm

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clubcricketeradi wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:Bresnans bowling in ODI this series has been very impressive in first ODI .However,his fielding is getting worse now as he has put down two wicket taking chances offered by West Indies.

Who is England's fielding coach?


After having dropped couple of catches and missed one run out chance in series versus WI,his bad fielding continues in this series too as he dropped one more catch versus Sri Lanka.

Broad to Dilshan, 1 run, oh dear, England. What is happening? That is dropped again, on the square leg fence. Short ball, Dilshan pulls, doesn't get it high enough and it's seemingly straight to Bresnan, but he shells it. Wet ball or no, there's no excuse

Replying to yourself now?

Bresnan throws powerfully and accurately from deep straight into Buttler's gloves with the batsman out of his ground. It would have been a great piece of cricket had Buttler not swiped at thin air. Another instance saw Bresnan save 2 runs on the boundary with an impressive stop and accurate throw.

Jordan attempts to throw down the wickets from 20 yards with all 3 stumps to aim at but misses by about 6 feet. As poor a piece of fielding as anything else seen in this match, but no mention of it in the match thread from anyone else.

There were plenty of other catches dropped in this match for some reason. Perhaps the wet ball did have some bearing on it. Bresnan need have no fear of losing his place because of his fielding.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby andy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:19 pm

it is unbelievable how biased you are..... it's actually shocking, and makes it very difficult to even respect most of your posts!
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:21 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:it is unbelievable how biased you are..... it's actually shocking, and makes it very difficult to even respect most of your posts!

What's more unbelievable is how putting forward a point of view, if it does not agree with another's, is seen as bias.

Try to get over yourself.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby andy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:34 pm

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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:44 pm

Unusual eloquence.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:36 am

cricketfan90 wrote:his fielding is cleary getting worse and worse!


There is no doubt about that as i have seen those easy dropped catches and missed run out chance. Post 2012 they are tracking these dropped chances and run outs.It will be interesting to see Bresnans fielding stats after couple of years.Colly is a ATG fielder and he will help Bresnan off the field, however, on the field Bresnan has to have confidence in his fielding abilities to take catches and not to miss run out chances.However, as far as past 6 matches (approx) are concerned i think his fielding errors is as high as 95%.Without confidence the fielding will get much worse than what i have seen recently.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby alfie » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:31 am

Wasn't Bresnan's bet match. But he was hardly Robinson Crusoe with the dropped catches. Wet conditions clearly made it difficult for everyone.

England need Bresnan in the this team , to balance the batting. But I would hope he gets his bowling closer to his best in the next game. In truth , that probably goes for most of the bowlers...
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:35 am

He is the most expensive death bowler.

Jordan is actually batting at seven.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:30 am

alfie wrote:Wasn't Bresnan's bet match. But he was hardly Robinson Crusoe with the dropped catches. Wet conditions clearly made it difficult for everyone.

England need Bresnan in the this team , to balance the batting. But I would hope he gets his bowling closer to his best in the next game. In truth , that probably goes for most of the bowlers...

Yes, conditions were obviously not ideal for catching yesterday and criticisms of Bresnan's fielding from certain quarters are as laughable as they are predictable and ignore, for example, his powerful, accurate throw from deep that would have resulted in a run out if Buttler hadn't swiped at thin air.

Perhaps his bowling is not yet back to its best, but it's certainly good enough to keep him in this side for a while yet. Then there is his batting too, of course.
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