How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

[SaintPowelly]

Would of asked some good questions about his place in the batting order had the 4 gone for 6, and England lost by 1 run

[alfie]

Well he should bat in front of Jordan , in my book. Jordan had one great day , but , without saying "fluke" I would still like to see some follow up...

[Arthur Crabtree]

Are we not going to look beyond Tim now though Alfie. I doubt JD will survive the competition. But Tim has done as badly. We should look at some others. There's not much point retaining Broad either, given that he's permanently injured and needs to be fit to play in Tests, and hasn't kept the runs down.

[D/L]

Are we not going to look beyond Tim now though Alfie. I doubt JD will survive the competition. But Tim has done as badly...

Big place, Cloud Cuckoo Land.

[meninblue]

Apart from Chris, every England bowler has performed worse than many part time bowlers, but are there any options.The problem could be that these failing international bowlers will go and play the domestic T20 competition, pick wickets of domestic level players and come back in team.Selectors will be tempted not to ignore the domestic level bowlers and then we see same results fwhen most of these bowlers play in a global tournament.One or two will improve on comeback.

The only positive about Bresnan is his batting.He has made impressive contributions with the bat. But he has bowled worse than part timer and his bad fielding form has been as worse as that of any other players bad fielding form.


Naseer Hussain who has done live commentary for all England matches in thsi T20 cup shares his views :

http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/ ... er-hussain

Nasser Hussain says England can be proud of their batting performances but should be 'concerned' with their bowling and fielding after being knocked out of the ICC T20 World Cup.

Nasser Hussain told Sky Sports that the death bowling in those crucial overs and some sloppy fielding have left England with much to work on.

"I think they got a lesson today from South Africa on how to field and how to catch under lights," said the former England skipper.

[D/L]

...The only positive about Bresnan is his batting.He has made impressive contributions with the bat. But he has bowled worse than part timer and his bad fielding form has been as worse as that of any other players bad fielding form...

I wonder if it is some personal agenda against Bresnan or just a profound ignorance of cricket that would give rise to the repetition, ad nauseam, of such clearly ridiculous comments.

My money's on both.

[meninblue]

Good to see that some posts have been removed for the purpose of moderation and action.Not surprised about the posts though accusing me of personal agenda when there is none, laughing about my grammar, terming my cricket knowledge as ignorance and ridiculous etc because that's what i was expecting.I hope the moderation is timely so that i do not have to reply to the unwanted content directed to me in a way that i have so far restrained from replying.Can someone sort out the above post as well with unnecessary content directed to me.

[dan08]

...The only positive about Bresnan is his batting.He has made impressive contributions with the bat. But he has bowled worse than part timer and his bad fielding form has been as worse as that of any other players bad fielding form...

I wonder if it is some personal agenda against Bresnan or just a profound ignorance of cricket that would give rise to the repetition, ad nauseam, of such clearly ridiculous comments.

My money's on both.

Technically what Adi said is correct. Quite a few part timers in this tournament have a considerably better economy than 10.75. His fielding in this tournament wouldn't look out of place in a Bangladesh side. Obviously in general Bresnan bowls better than part timers and is a reasonably good fielder but even you, D/L, have to admit that Bresnan performed well below what he was expected to. Not the only one of course but you have to have to acknowledge that he was very poor. Even players i like such as Tredwell i'll admit was very disappointing, there's no point blindly defending a player no matter how much you like him...

[D/L]

Good to see that some posts have been removed for the purpose of moderation and action.Not surprised about the posts though accusing me of personal agenda when there is none, laughing about my grammar, terming my cricket knowledge as ignorance and ridiculous etc because that's what i was expecting.I hope the moderation is timely so that i do not have to reply to the unwanted content directed to me in a way that i have so far restrained from replying.Can someone sort out the above post as well with unnecessary content directed to me.

That's very rich, coming from somebody who makes fairly serious and false accusations (you have been banned) of another poster.

Should we therefore add hypocrisy to the list?

Didn't you say you never read my comments anyway because you had blocked them?

[D/L]

Technically what Adi said is correct. Quite a few part timers in this tournament have a considerably better economy than 10.75. His fielding in this tournament wouldn't look out of place in a Bangladesh side. Obviously in general Bresnan bowls better than part timers and is a reasonably good fielder but even you, D/L, have to admit that Bresnan performed well below what he was expected to. Not the only one of course but you have to have to acknowledge that he was very poor. Even players i like such as Tredwell i'll admit was very disappointing, there's no point blindly defending a player no matter how much you like him...

Part timers in this tournament tend not to bowl at the difficult times.

Of course, Bresnan is no world beater, but he is a useful cricketer and he gives his all in every game he plays.

Some criticism is, of course, justified but repetitively incorrect criticism from armchair internationals deserves to be rebuffed.

[Aidan11]

There are some posts on here that are completely unacceptable.

Please stop using personal insults/attacks and get this thread back on to a more civil discussion or I'll have no option but to lock the thread.

[meninblue]

There are some posts on here that are completely unacceptable.

Please stop using personal insults/attacks and get this thread back on to a more civil discussion or I'll have no option but to lock the thread.

It is good that moderation team has decided that some posts are unacceptable. However, i would like to add that as the moderation team has probably not taken any action apart from just removing unwanted post, there are now 2 more posts and the posters are getting enough confidence to call as "hypocrites" due to lack of action.So it seems nothing will happen.So i assume only thread will be locked and whatever words have been used will all be swept under carpet ? I would like to know what action has been taken against personal insults, rather than whether the thread is locked or not.

[D/L]

What about action against false accusations, fairly serious in nature?

[Alviro Patterson]

Looking at the overall tournament, few bowlers have come away with any credibility in terms of wickets and economy rate so it's not just the English bowlers who have suffered.

In regards to Tim Bresnan it's not often he leads an England bowling attack in any format, it's a massive ask for a player who normally plays the supporting role to make a big impact as a leading frontline bowler. The team selection and Broad's captaincy should be questioned more than Bresnan's playing ability IMO.

[meninblue]

Technically what Adi said is correct. Quite a few part timers in this tournament have a considerably better economy than 10.75. His fielding in this tournament wouldn't look out of place in a Bangladesh side. Obviously in general Bresnan bowls better than part timers and is a reasonably good fielder but even you, D/L, have to admit that Bresnan performed well below what he was expected to. Not the only one of course but you have to have to acknowledge that he was very poor. Even players i like such as Tredwell i'll admit was very disappointing, there's no point blindly defending a player no matter how much you like him...

I think my previous post about Bresnans impressive batting, his worse bowling and fielding was not detailed.

When i said Bresnan was impressive with the bat , i meant his two contributions of 17 runs each versus New Zealand and South Africa came at a excellent strike rate.On both innings he had highest strike rate amongst England batters.

When i said Tim Bresnan has bowled worse than a part timer i meant Raina, Samuels, Moeen, Tom Cooper, Farhad Reza, Brad Hodge, Nasir Hossain, Sikandar Raza have better economy rates below 9 whereas that of Bresnan is 10.75. Raina has less than half the economy rate of Bresnan in this T20 cup.Couple of these part timers even have more wickets in spite of them having bowled less overs than him.

As far as specialist bowlers are concerned, there are more number of specialist bowlers who have a better economy rate than him as well as more wickets per innings than him. Even some of the bowlers who have worse economy rate than 10.75 have more wickets than him.

As far as fielding is concerned he is the fielder who has dropped most number of catches (3) in this tournament. I think his competitors are Sohag Gazi and Nasir Hossain of Bangladesh who may take over the record of most dropped catches from him.