How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

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Bresnan lost them a ODI in the infamous 16 run over, and here too he was given the job of bowling at death,something which Bresnan has flopped recently in shorter formats.Like Aussies, Sammy too targeted Bresnan and scored 19 runs to secure a win by 5 wickets and one over which is comprehensive...

Rarely is a player solely responsible for a defeat and neither of these examples support the claim. It is not altogether unexpected though that people will seize upon such things in the hope it will strengthen a particular point of view.

It seems strange that if Bresnan is a "flop" during the usually most difficult, high pressure overs, that he is regularly asked to bowl them.

A good point was made in the match thread that our batsmen gave our bowlers an impossible task yesterday.

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If it was that easy to stop runs or get wickets all the bowlers would be bowling yorkers but if a batsman is in, perfectly good yorkers can go for 4 and 6s. I think it's a bit different to tailenders and new batsmen just coming to the crease.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Bresnan was deservedly rested and Jordan impressed in his place.

Obsession with stats is one thing. Obsession with stats gathered from such small samples is just daft. Keep them coming and we'll keep on laughing.

By the way, why are favoured players referred to by their first names and those criticised by their surnames? That may reveal, for want of a more accurate phrase perhaps, a little lack of objectivity.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Bresnan was deservedly rested and Jordan impressed in his place.

Obsession with stats is one thing. Obsession with stats gathered from such small samples is just daft. Keep them coming and we'll keep on laughing.

By the way, why are favoured players referred to by their first names and those criticised by their surnames? That may reveal, for want of a more accurate phrase perhaps, a little lack of objectivity.

Your post is off record and more about names,surnames,laughter etc.

Also those statistics and subjective views about Bresnan are not meant for you and you can laugh as much as you want because i have you in ignore list and have avoided discussing cricket with you since i am well aware about how many times you were banned, how many posters reported your posts etc.But sadly one gets to see ignored posts when logged in as guest and i came across this. I don't have any interest in discussing cricket with you. Keep laughing at others as that is all i can expect having observed various things on this forum.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Bresnan was deservedly rested and Jordan impressed in his place.

Obsession with stats is one thing. Obsession with stats gathered from such small samples is just daft. Keep them coming and we'll keep on laughing.

By the way, why are favoured players referred to by their first names and those criticised by their surnames? That may reveal, for want of a more accurate phrase perhaps, a little lack of objectivity.

Your post is off record and more about names,surnames,laughter etc.

Also those statistics and subjective views about Bresnan are not meant for you and you can laugh as much as you want because i have you in ignore list and have avoided discussing cricket with you since i am well aware about how many times you were banned, how many posters reported your posts etc.But sadly one gets to see ignored posts when logged in as guest and i came across this. I don't have any interest in discussing cricket with you. Keep laughing at others as that is all i can expect having observed various things on this forum.

I would ask for evidence to be furnished of my having been banned on CMS as, to my knowledge, it has never happened. How any posts that may have been reported by others may be known to a single individual, if not through private messaging (rather pathetic), would be an interesting question.

If no evidence of my having been banned is produced, I think it can be safely assumed that the above post has about as much acquaintance with reality as many others from the same source. I'll take no reply as indicating contrition for such a childish, not to say mildly libellous, outburst.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Bresnan was deservedly rested and Jordan impressed in his place.

Obsession with stats is one thing. Obsession with stats gathered from such small samples is just daft. Keep them coming and we'll keep on laughing.

By the way, why are favoured players referred to by their first names and those criticised by their surnames? That may reveal, for want of a more accurate phrase perhaps, a little lack of objectivity.

Your post is off record and more about names,surnames,laughter etc.

Also those statistics and subjective views about Bresnan are not meant for you and you can laugh as much as you want because i have you in ignore list and have avoided discussing cricket with you since i am well aware about how many times you were banned, how many posters reported your posts etc.But sadly one gets to see ignored posts when logged in as guest and i came across this. I don't have any interest in discussing cricket with you. Keep laughing at others as that is all i can expect having observed various things on this forum.

I would ask for evidence to be furnished of my having been banned on CMS as, to my knowledge, it has never happened. How any posts that may have been reported by others may be known to a single individual, if not through private messaging (rather pathetic), would be an interesting question.

If no evidence of my having been banned is produced, I think it can be safely assumed that the above post has about as much acquaintance with reality as many others from the same source. I'll take no reply as indicating contrition for such a childish, not to say mildly libellous, outburst.

I tried search but could not see that you were banned.So maybe i got it wrong or got confused between reported/warned/banned as its been a long time since i left position of moderator.

As for evidence regarding being reported and/or warned, i am no more a moderator since long time now.It is also my personal decision that i do not want to interact with certain type of posters.But that does not means you can post off topic and think yourself as great while continuing to laugh at other posters posts, in this case mine.

As for the first name last name thing- In India people are often referred by first names most of the times and some times by last.Sometimes it does happens that same person is called by first name or last name.Why are you so concerned that i too have this habit being Indian is beyond my understanding.if you don't like me calling some people by first name and some by last name or both then i can't do much.How does objectivity etc comes in all this.Anyways, i do not want to get into any sort of discussions with you as i avoid certain type of posters from personal judgements about the way they behave on forums.

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Stuart Broad ?@StuartBroad8 Mar 9

No panic with the knee, had it a long time. The workload over the winter has got it to a point it needs treatment. 7 days should be fine

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Making assumption from that tweet, i guess Broad is likely to play in first T20.Stephen has not picked wickets but then Joe is injured and someone else has to bowl spin.So Stephen is likely to get another chance imo.Depending on Moeen will be too much of a risk in such a important tournament.The only way Bresnan can make a comeback is if the selectors think he is a better option than Jade

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Bresnan was deservedly rested and Jordan impressed in his place.

Obsession with stats is one thing. Obsession with stats gathered from such small samples is just daft. Keep them coming and we'll keep on laughing.

By the way, why are favoured players referred to by their first names and those criticised by their surnames? That may reveal, for want of a more accurate phrase perhaps, a little lack of objectivity.

Your post is off record and more about names,surnames,laughter etc.

Also those statistics and subjective views about Bresnan are not meant for you and you can laugh as much as you want because i have you in ignore list and have avoided discussing cricket with you since i am well aware about how many times you were banned, how many posters reported your posts etc.But sadly one gets to see ignored posts when logged in as guest and i came across this. I don't have any interest in discussing cricket with you. Keep laughing at others as that is all i can expect having observed various things on this forum.

I would ask for evidence to be furnished of my having been banned on CMS as, to my knowledge, it has never happened. How any posts that may have been reported by others may be known to a single individual, if not through private messaging (rather pathetic), would be an interesting question.

If no evidence of my having been banned is produced, I think it can be safely assumed that the above post has about as much acquaintance with reality as many others from the same source. I'll take no reply as indicating contrition for such a childish, not to say mildly libellous, outburst.

I tried search but could not see that you were banned.So maybe i got it wrong or got confused between reported/warned/banned as its been a long time since i left position of moderator...

I'll take that as some sort of apology then. It is wise to check one's facts before making accusations in case they turn out to be false.

Also, using information one may have gleaned from being in a position of privilege and responsibility in such a way may be seen as ethically questionable.

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You said the PM thing and wanted more information as to how i knew.I did not disclose proactively but only after you wanted to know.As far as ethics are concerned you do not know me personally you cannot question my ethics.Using experience on forums to decide with whom to get into discussion or not had nothing to do about ethics.It is just making judgements from experience.

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Chris Jordan's final two overs went for 15 and 14 runs, which suggests he is no better bowling at the death than Tim Bresnan or Jade Dernbach.

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Might I suggest that bowling at the death - especially on small grounds against powerful hitters with a license to bash anything - is challenging for any bowler ?

I have seen most of the acknowledged greats go for lots of runs in late overs in both 50 and 20 over cricket. So I don't rush to condemn anyone for isolated examples in which it all went horribly wrong for them. Records over a large number of matches , however , probably have some significance.

I am not sure that England currently possess a bowler who consistently performs well in the late overs of a t20. So it may be a case of selecting the best of a bad (perhaps "rather average" may be a kinder description) lot for the job ? And that this is why Dernbach keeps getting picked , contrary to the wishes of almost everyone with access to the Internet
Whether Jade actually is better than other contenders is hard to establish : raw stats aren't everything , because conditions , match situation , standard of batsman at the crease all vary...but clearly the England management feel he one of their least worst options ; as he would hardly be picked for new ball , mid innings bowling , or batting/fielding skills.

Being (I am confident) rather more objective about Bresnan than either his main champion or most of his detractors , I think it reasonable to assert that he is (a) Not particularly good at "death" bowling , and sometimes spectacularly bad at it ; but (b) Generally much more reliable earlier in the innings than most alternates. If his strike rate isn't great he may often be assisting other bowlers to take wickets in some spells , though this is hard to demonstrate statistically and may just be my impression. When you consider (c) His batting is far superior to other serious bowling candidates ... He really does have an excellent case for selection in any England limited over team at the moment.
This is not to say he is an automatic selection in all circumstances. Personally , I would have him over Dernbach any time ; but Jordan was impressive the other day and with the t20 being played on pitches that may necessitate a full book of spin options he could be squeezed out . Though I would expect some changes from match to match in any case , given the fact that nobody seems to be in super form (except Bopara !)
Broad's fitness will be a big issue of course . Pointless to argue over whether he ought to be captain : he is ; so for good or ill he remains a certain starter if fit. I think his capacity for a matchwinning effort on occasions makes his selection fair enough anyway , but that is by the by...

This thread is after all about Bresnan. And my view hasn't changed much over the last few years. Fit , he is in my fifteen man squad in all formats. And in the eleven more often than not. But he remains more infantry than cavalry , so is always going to be under discussion for discard as soon as a likely prospect rides over the horizon... wonder when another one will appear ?

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Guess selectors dropped for that match losing last over.Or was it the bad economy rate and SR accompanied with lack of as many wickets as expected form a specialist bowler Two consecutive T20 series whitewash would have looked bad and selectors faith in Chris was rewarded well.However, i would not be surprised to see Bresnan making a comeback as Broad might be unfit.There is hardly anything to choose Jade over Bresnan.

Chris: 4 overs, 39 runs, 3 wickets @ 9.75 rpo, SR 8
Bresnan: 7.5 overs 87 runs , 2 wickets @ 11.10 rpo , SR 23.5

Post injury, selectors have dropped Bresnan twice in test format. Once in ODI and once in T20's. Such things can be good as some of the dropped cricketers comeback strongly.

Chris Jordan's final two overs went for 15 and 14 runs, which suggests he is no better bowling at the death than Tim Bresnan or Jade Dernbach.

As far as overall career is concerned, Chris in no way can be compared to Bresnan at this point of time.Chris only merits a selection ahead of Bresnan on form basis, not experience.

The SR of 8 and SR of 23.5 is a huge difference although the re is hardly any significant difference in economy rates of Chris and Bresnan.

I won't be surprised if selectors recall Bresnan by dropping Jade. But i can't see him making a comeback by replacing Chris.So many out of form England players.Add to the fact that the spinners are struggling to pick enough wickets.Thinktank cannot afford to rest couple of players who are in form.If they dare to rest in form players then things can only get worse.

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This is not to say he is an automatic selection in all circumstances.

Though I would expect some changes from match to match in any case , given the fact that nobody seems to be in super form (except Bopara !)

Broad's fitness will be a big issue of course . Pointless to argue over whether he ought to be captain : he is ; so for good or ill he remains a certain starter if fit. I think his capacity for a matchwinning effort on occasions makes his selection fair enough anyway , but that is by the by...

This thread is after all about Bresnan. And my view hasn't changed much over the last few years. Fit , he is in my fifteen man squad in all formats. And in the eleven more often than not. But he remains more infantry than cavalry , so is always going to be under discussion for discard as soon as a likely prospect rides over the horizon... wonder when another one will appear ?

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You said the PM thing and wanted more information as to how i knew.I did not disclose proactively but only after you wanted to know.As far as ethics are concerned you do not know me personally you cannot question my ethics.Using experience on forums to decide with whom to get into discussion or not had nothing to do about ethics.It is just making judgements from experience.

It should be obvious to all but the hard of thinking that the ethics of an action can be questioned without it being necessary to know the perpetrator. For example, and a topical one, many people don't know Piers Morgan personally but many have questioned his ethics.

The ethics behind the action of using a privileged position to obtain information, not available to others, and attempt to use it to one's advantage, are perfectly questionable.