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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby backfootpunch » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:30 pm

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clubcricketeradi wrote:England's Fielding and Catching Should Not Be Forgotten Because of Alex Hales
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2008275-englands-fielding-and-catching-should-not-be-forgotten-because-of-alex-hales

What followed was a dreadful display, as a total of four catches were dropped and a number of other fielding errors occurred in the subsequent overs.Tim Bresnan was one guilty party, as he dropped a catch each off the bowling of Dernbach and captain Stuart Broad.

Jayawardene was let off twice, once by Bresnan and also in the fifth over by Dernbach from the Yorkshireman’s bowling, as the players seemed to struggle with the wet ball.

As a finale to such a shambolic display in the field, Ravi Bopara then shelled a chance in the final over off the bowling of Bresnan, who holds a rare distinction of being involved in some way in four dropped catches.

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Now i see that Bresnan dropped two catches in spite of one as i initially mentioned.That makes at least 4 dropped catches in 2014 and one missed run out chance.As mentioned by the author of the article, Alex Hales innings has probably covered up all the dropped catches..


i doubt it has to be honest, the england camp will surely have not forgotten and neither will anybody who watched the game live because that first innings was embarrassing

in fact on sky sports news i just saw england doing a specific boundary catching session



I guess the fielding drills happen usually . The problem for Bresnan is that he is unable to take catches and effect run outs where it actually matters. In nets he maybe doing better as there is lack of pressure. Maybe he is unable to cope with the pressure on field or it's just not pressure but his agility,hand eye co-ordination or basic fielding skills are gone bad. The reason could be any but he has to sort it out soon. Otherwise as seen in recent years, batters also target bad fielders to score more runs. For example, I remember batsmen doing that by hitting the ball where Zaheer was fielding and used to take a extra run. Munaf and Ishant were other bad fielders who were targeted by batters .But they certainly did not drop as many catches as Bresnan has recently.So Bresnans problem is two fold as batsmen will try to exploit the weakness in his fielding by taking extra run as well as trying to risk hitting ball over boundary where he is fielding as the chances of them getting caught is less.They are being successful in doing that against him in recent times and it will not be a surprise to me if more batters try same tactics.Like batsmen analyze weakness in bowlers, they are more aware than us watching fans as to who is dropping more catches and is weakest fielder in opposition team.We saw it happen to Monty and now it's happening with Bresnan.It won't change overnight but with the help of fielding coach and more fielding drills specifically designed for his weakness in fielding, in couple of months we may see him field like he did before.


im one of bresnan's biggest critics but i think you are being unfair, his fielding is considerably better than panesar or munaf, he is normally a solid fielder and catcher, he is just having a bad time at the moment with the ball and that lack of confidence would appear to have crept into his catching

if he cant take a few wickets and not go for 10+ an over for a few games then with the confidence he will gain his fielding will be back to its former standard
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:46 pm

I'm not sure the dropped catches were a confidence thing. It happens from time to time and it happened in a match when fielding conditions were far from ideal and many chances were put down. In the same match, Bresnan demonstrated very good ground fielding skills.

Bresnan has bowled adequately and batted well recently. Even if he hadn't, I doubt it would have affected his catching confidence anyway.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:53 pm

ntini77 wrote:I'd play Woakes and Parry in place of Bresnan and Tredwell today. Neither win games for England in this format.


Apart from the numerous dropped catches, Bresnan has given 58 runs without taking a wicket in 5 overs.He is the most expensive wicket less specialist England bowler so far in this T20 cup.inexperienced Jade and Chris have bowled much better.Broad has bowled only slightly better than Bresnan but his performance has been worse overall.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:57 pm

Jordan and JD are having better tournaments so far, which is a game and a bit. The others need to take wickets. Still, Ravi hasn't been bowling, and he takes wickets.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:02 pm

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ntini77 wrote:I'd play Woakes and Parry in place of Bresnan and Tredwell today. Neither win games for England in this format.

Apart from the numerous dropped catches, Bresnan has given 58 runs without taking a wicket in 5 overs.He is the most expensive wicket less specialist England bowler so far in this T20 cup.inexperienced Jade and Chris have bowled much better.Broad has bowled only slightly better than Bresnan but his performance has been worse overall.

Yet more obsession with stats and no taking account of dropped catches (apart from Bresnan's) etc. when passing comment.

You are now beginning to parody yourself with the unfairness in your comments, accurately remarked upon by bfp above.

Keep it coming, though. It is hugely amusing.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:09 pm

backfootpunch wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:
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clubcricketeradi wrote:England's Fielding and Catching Should Not Be Forgotten Because of Alex Hales
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2008275-englands-fielding-and-catching-should-not-be-forgotten-because-of-alex-hales

What followed was a dreadful display, as a total of four catches were dropped and a number of other fielding errors occurred in the subsequent overs.Tim Bresnan was one guilty party, as he dropped a catch each off the bowling of Dernbach and captain Stuart Broad.

Jayawardene was let off twice, once by Bresnan and also in the fifth over by Dernbach from the Yorkshireman’s bowling, as the players seemed to struggle with the wet ball.

As a finale to such a shambolic display in the field, Ravi Bopara then shelled a chance in the final over off the bowling of Bresnan, who holds a rare distinction of being involved in some way in four dropped catches.

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Now i see that Bresnan dropped two catches in spite of one as i initially mentioned.That makes at least 4 dropped catches in 2014 and one missed run out chance.As mentioned by the author of the article, Alex Hales innings has probably covered up all the dropped catches..


i doubt it has to be honest, the england camp will surely have not forgotten and neither will anybody who watched the game live because that first innings was embarrassing

in fact on sky sports news i just saw england doing a specific boundary catching session



I guess the fielding drills happen usually . The problem for Bresnan is that he is unable to take catches and effect run outs where it actually matters. In nets he maybe doing better as there is lack of pressure. Maybe he is unable to cope with the pressure on field or it's just not pressure but his agility,hand eye co-ordination or basic fielding skills are gone bad. The reason could be any but he has to sort it out soon. Otherwise as seen in recent years, batters also target bad fielders to score more runs. For example, I remember batsmen doing that by hitting the ball where Zaheer was fielding and used to take a extra run. Munaf and Ishant were other bad fielders who were targeted by batters .But they certainly did not drop as many catches as Bresnan has recently.So Bresnans problem is two fold as batsmen will try to exploit the weakness in his fielding by taking extra run as well as trying to risk hitting ball over boundary where he is fielding as the chances of them getting caught is less.They are being successful in doing that against him in recent times and it will not be a surprise to me if more batters try same tactics.Like batsmen analyze weakness in bowlers, they are more aware than us watching fans as to who is dropping more catches and is weakest fielder in opposition team.We saw it happen to Monty and now it's happening with Bresnan.It won't change overnight but with the help of fielding coach and more fielding drills specifically designed for his weakness in fielding, in couple of months we may see him field like he did before.


im one of bresnan's biggest critics but i think you are being unfair, his fielding is considerably better than panesar or munaf, he is normally a solid fielder and catcher, he is just having a bad time at the moment with the ball and that lack of confidence would appear to have crept into his catching

if he cant take a few wickets and not go for 10+ an over for a few games then with the confidence he will gain his fielding will be back to its former standard


Bresnan was a reliable player before injury and you will find posts where i have mentioned he is valuable player in squad.But at that point of time he was bowling okay, fielding okay and scoring runs more than what a specialist bowler is expected to do. Now things have changed regarding his bowling and fielding.So now i don't think he si certain pick and selectors too have dropped him couple of times from each of the three formats.

Bresnan has been better fielder than Munaf for sure but Munaf has never gone through such awful fielding form as Bresnan has dropped 4 catches and missed one run out in a span of approx 7 matches. At least i have not seen such bad fielding.The only Indian fielder i think has dropped as many catches in so less matches are Rahul Dravid in slips at end of his career and Kamran Akmal on tour of Australia.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:16 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Jordan and JD are having better tournaments so far, which is a game and a bit. The others need to take wickets. Still, Ravi hasn't been bowling, and he takes wickets.


Yes.Tredwell , Broad and Bresnan need to pick wickets. They are just putting pressure on the other two bowlers by being wicket less in both amtches they ahve played so far in this T20 cup. The worse thing is that their eco. rates are 9,11.25 and 11.60 respectively while being wicketless. Too much pressure on inexperienced Cris and relatively lesser experienced Jade, but still they have done well than two seniors.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:26 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Jordan and JD are having better tournaments so far, which is a game and a bit. The others need to take wickets. Still, Ravi hasn't been bowling, and he takes wickets.

Yes.Tredwell , Broad and Bresnan need to pick wickets...

Players not dropping catches off Bresnan may have helped a bit there. :facepalm

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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Gingerfinch » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:08 pm

That was a tough chance, adi.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:18 pm

Dr Robert wrote:That was a tough chance, adi.


Well,many international pace bowlers take more difficult catches like those even those who bowl at faster pace. Not surprised though, because as discussed it was expected from Bresnan him given his fielding form.Someone who did the match preview said that England have to improve fielding.Even Broad during the toss said that the fielding and bowling has to be better unlike last match.But then as discussed fielding drills do not turn bad fielder into good overnight.


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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby DiligentDefence » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:28 pm

I don't blame Bresnan for not taking that one.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby pompeymeowth » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:29 pm

I remember that Panesar dropped catch too, Adi. Very similar it was too. He was given quite a hard time about it by some. Because it was Monty, people tend to judge him too harshly. I doubt that Bresnan will suffer the same treatment for this half chance, but he does need to work on his fielding a bit.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:35 pm

Unlucky final over bowling from Bresnan in the South Africa T20, should've bagged two wickets for less than 10 runs.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby pompeymeowth » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:37 pm

He's done a good job today, well played Bres.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:35 pm

Just waiting for the criticism from Cloud Cuckoo Land of Bresnan's failure to hit 20 from the last 3 balls to win the match today.

Surely, it's on its way.
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