Indian ODI team - buidling to WC in Aus

[shankycricket]

If Dhoni is injured such that he can bat but can't keep, wouldn't you want a reserve keeper? Surely Dhoni is too valuable to be replaced? Whats the use of having extra bowling options who aren't gonna improve the team?

Uthappa can bat anywhere in the batting line up. Also a back up finisher for Raina. If Raina gets injured for example, who bats at 5 and 6 apart from Dhoni? Why would you sacrifice such flexibility for the sake of a third grade seamer?

[shankycricket]

Having only 1 backup batsman and 3 backup bowlers makes no sense to me. If we get to the finals of the tri series and WC, we'll be playing 14 ODIs. Over 3 months. Thats a lot of time and games. There is a lot of scope for loss of form and/or injuries especially when two of the batsmen (Dhawan and Rohit) have been badly exposed in these conditions in the Tests. I'd definitely have more cover in the batting (and keeping) department. The bowling is a write off anyway.

[Red Devil]

this is what criinfo have ...

MS Dhoni (capt, wk), Shikhar Dhawan, Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Suresh Raina, R Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav, [two from] Ambati Rayudu/Robin Uthappa/M Vijay, [two from] Ravindra Jadeja/Akshar Patel/Varun Aaron/Karn Sharma/ Stuart Binny/Mohit Sharma

I'd forget about Binny, Mohit or Karn. Maybe Vijay's form in Aus gives him the edge and Uthappa as a possible emergency keeper. Axar if he does well in tri-series and then probably Aaron, or Kulkarni if they want a more reliable option

[shankycricket]

Aaron's Test economy rate won't be acceptable even in an ODI! Why would you pick him in an ODI side? Kulkarni is another Vinay Kumar. Not quite international standard. Given a choice between him and Mohit, I'd take Mohit but ideally neither. But as I said, I'd have only 4 pacers. There is no point of taking extra mediocre seam bowling backups for the sake of it when we could strengthen the team in other departments.

[meninblue]

ODI WC 15 squad to be named today at 1 P.M ( I.S.T.) Just about an hours time from now.


My guess of 15
Shikhar, Murali, Rohit
Virat,Raina,Ajinkya,
Dhoni,Ambati
Axar,Jaddu
Ashwin
Ishant,Bhuv,Shami,Umesh

[meninblue]

ODI WC 15 squad to be named today at 1 P.M ( I.S.T.) Just about an hours time from now.


My guess of 15
Shikhar, Murali, Rohit
Virat,Raina,Ajinkya,
Dhoni,Ambati
Axar,Jaddu
Ashwin
Ishant,Bhuv,Shami,Umesh

Got one wrong

In form Murali replaced by selector (Roger Binny) son Stuart Binny.

[andy]

after wrongly throwing Karn into every format of the game, based on one good season for the sunrisers, they have just competely discarded him..what sort of message are they trying to convey..??

[meninblue]

after wrongly throwing Karn into every format of the game, based on one good season for the sunrisers, they have just competely discarded him..what sort of message are they trying to convey..??

Ashwin had seen some bad patch overseas, so everyone here was looking for a spinner. Suddenly he rightly came to notice during IPL 2014 as you said, when he was way better bowler performance wise than his Sunrisers team mate Mishra. Then Jaddu was also struggling in many matches in international level. He was being looked as a prospect who should be tried on basis of his domestic form. But sometimes he bowls far too short ones and hitting short ones is very less risky for batters than hitting fully flighted ones which makes batsmen more cautious. imo he has to improve and that applies to every international players, so he should not feel bad about being dropped. There are so many things for him to work upon, like improving the flight yet getting the line and length right. He has a googly so variation wise he is okay. However, he has to anticipate batters as it makes the task of cricketer slightly easier. But that will come only with experience at international level playing more. Rest of the things he can work upon at domestic level or bowling in nets. Still being one of the top 5 preferred spinner in India is a good sign for any Indian spinner. So a career is still up for him.

[Dr Cricket]

TBH Karn sharma being seen as india top 5 spinner is a very bad sign for india spin cupboard.
The fact karn sharma is 27 played only 35 first class games in 7 years for Railways is a very bad sign.
It is crazy to think england, australia and even South africa are producing better spinners than india now.
I seen far better spinners in County cricket (not huge numbers) but more talented than many in india domestic cricket.

Adam Riley and Ravi patel both look good prospects I would say if those 2 played in india right now they would easily be in the top 5 or 10 in the country.

[shankycricket]

Poor Roger Binny is said to walk out of the room every time Stuart's name comes up for deliberations. Really think its very harsh and lazy to accuse a gentleman like him of nepotism. He is certainly not Kris Srikkanth. I think Binny's continued selection is more a reflection of our desperation to find a seam bowling allrounder than anything else. Won't have picked him myself but not completely unjustifiable.

Decent squad on the whole. A couple of disagreements but both picks justified really. No.Yuvraj thankfully.

Still don't see us winning the tournament though.

[Dr Cricket]

Yeah wasn't Dhoni the one that wanted the seam bowling all rounder and even told I pathan get fit and play ranji cricket and you will play or get selected again for india in the squads.

TBH it only really a 13 man squad since it is impossible for Axar/Jadeja to both play in the same team and Binny only got picked for NZ condition if picking 2 spinners is risky due to small ground.

India taking a risk with the batting unless they expect Axar/Binny to come in if one or two batsman are in poor form.

[andy]

it's a joke that Binny keeps being selected, he simply isn't good enough for international cricket

[Dr Cricket]

it's a joke that Binny keeps being selected, he simply isn't good enough for international cricket

TBH he only been selected because Dhoni wants a pace all rounder for NZ conditions especially since india always plays 5 bowlers.
This is the only time Binny would play in the world cup.
Dhawan
Rohit/Rahane
Kohli/Rahane/Rohit
Kohli/Rahane/Rohit
Raina
Dhoni
Jadeja or ashwin/axar
Binny
Bk
Ishant
Shami/Yadav

Didn't really know the batting order so listed all possibilities and I have no idea which spinner is number 1 so named one of them.
Basically in New Zealand india might need to only play one spinner but issue is only BK can bat so without binny india will have a terrible tail which can lose games.
In test cricket Bit and pieces cricketers can be bad but in ODI sometimes teams are forced into it since runs wins games not bowling.
Binny is able to bowl 6-10 overs and raina could always bowl some as well to get the 5th bowler option out of the way.

I would hate to see India lose a game in the world cup if India were 260/6 with 4 to 5 overs left and being dismissed 270 all out or India needing 50 runs to win in 10 overs with 4 wickets in hand and losing the game by 20 or 30 runs.
Binny is essentially picked so India can strengthen the tail and still have 4 pace options.

In Australia I expect India to pick 3 pace bowlers and 2 spinners, NZ might depends on how spinners do their since the grounds sizes is a worry for spinners.

[Dr Cricket]

just to add Dhoni believes india needs a strong lower order to chase big totals or to allow india to be aggressive in the top or middle overs.

I suspect having 3 numbers 11 will effect Raina, Dhoni batting since india generally do use Ashwin/Jadeja/Bhuveshnar Kumar to help Dhoni or the remaining batsman to bat out the full 50 overs or if required finish off the game.
Not sure that would be possible if Ishant, Shami, Yadav being the last 3 batsman in the team.

Anyway it wouldn't surprise me if Binny doesn't even play a game at the world cup.

[Red Devil]

Binny selected?!?

If we are so desperate for a seam bowling all-rounder, why has Rishi Dhawan never even been given a chance for the A team?

Rishi is 24 and averages 39 with the bat and 24 with the ball in FC domestic games ... http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 90727.html

Binny is 30 and averages 35 with the bat and 32 with the ball in FC domestic games ... http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 27223.html

Even for list A, Rishi averages 28.4@SR of 85.1, Binny averages just 22.4@SR of 91.8. Rishi averages 31.6 with the ball at ER of 5, whereas Binny averages 32 at ER of 5.4.

Also, despite being 6 years younger, Rishi has basically scored as many runs and taken as many wickets in domestic List A as Binny has.

if it's not nepotism then it must just be stupidity - completely indefensible.