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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby andy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:38 pm

Are the hong kong sixes still going? Used to quite enjoy watching that on sky sports, but haven't seen it on there for years now...
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:58 pm

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Aidan11 wrote:Change to DRS next month.

The fielding side won't lose their review if they are on the wrong side of an umpires call.

Also a player will no longer be given out on a bouncing bat - that's were a player dives in and makes his ground but the bat bobbles up with the momentum.

Always felt that was harsh.

I agree with the bouncing bat one

hate the umpires call change.............. makes a mockery of the 'preventing the howler' reasoning for DRS and shows what can be achieved when you pile enough pressure onto the authorities, for long enough. Now that they've got the umpires call rule changed, they'll start calling for unlimited reviews.............. and eventually they'll get them..... and this at a time when there are suggestions that the game should be speeded up in order to hot 4 day test matches. Crikey, they'll have to start a 4 day test at 9am and finish at midnight just to get 105 overs in thanks to all the reviews for every decision that a team or captain doesn't agree with.... or in actuality.... all the decisions that they think they might get away with if they just review everything

'Tis a slippery slope

and a nonsense


I thought they got the umpire's call change but the reviews had been cut to one, but maybe I'm mistaken.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby GarlicJam » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:09 pm

I don't think that the reviews have been cut to one, but they HAVE been changed to just the 2 all innings - no reset at 80 overs anymore.


I have been advocating for the 'no loss of review, if it is down to Ump's Call' for a couple of seasons now - and I am pleased that they have finally listened to me.

After all, if you appeal for an LBW, and it shows that only 49% of the ball was going to hit the stumps, in reality it would have been out, so no loss of review is fair (imo).
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:29 pm

what happened to the howler? If it wasn't a howler they had no business reviewing it, imo

a lot of the time the captains are just taking a punt, and if they weren't routinely abusing the review process for very marginal decisions there wouldn't be any umpires calls. This law change will just undermine the umpires even further.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:37 pm

This sort of 'mission creep' is exactly why football needs to be most careful about the introduction of video reviews. On paper it seems eminently reasonable, but eventually, players will end up appealing for everything (and nothing), and the game will slowly grind to a farcical halt, ending up with 90min matches taking 3 hours to complete
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby alfie » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:41 am

Find myself siding with the Footman here...On the face of it , keeping a review for Umpires Call is "fair" ; but the risk is that this change serves to encourage fielding captains to indulge in fishing expeditions (with a resultant time wasting increase in the number of referrals) ...of course the counter to this is that the loss of the eighty over reset might cause over eager captains to lose reviews quickly! Remains to be seen how it will play out in practice ; but it certainly seems to be edging further into the use of reviews for tactical reasons rather than as a safeguard against gross injustice.

I am not convinced that the overall effect will be positive.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:40 pm

Share the same sentiments with Footman and Alfie, technology should be used as a guide and not an arbritator to decision making unless if the umpire made a howler. If it is the case of each team just having one review with the new rules in place, it may work better as it prevents speculative DRS calls made.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby GarlicJam » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:26 pm

I was against the introduction of the UDRS in the first place. Strongly.

But now it has been released, there is not putting the genie back into the bottle. Of course it is going to be used cynically - that's human nature - just as all sport rules/laws are used cynically to one's advantage.

Why penalise a team when they were actually correct?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby sussexpob » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:31 pm

GarlicJam wrote:Why penalise a team when they were actually correct?


I'd take it further, why is umpires call a thing anyway? If technology has a error rating off a fraction of a percent, and 49.9% of a ball is hitting, then why is it not out? Its about time they got rid of umpires call, inbuilt the margin of error into the end result, and send people on their way.

And I am not one for the whole "shocker" thing. Why have a process to erase mistakes, and then stamp mistake on things consistently?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:35 pm

They aren't definitely correct, there is a margin for error. When the graphic shows a ball glancing the stump, that doesn't mean it is hitting the stump, it is just saying there is a degree of possibility that it might within the margin for error. It might not be hitting the stump at all. So it goes back onfield. If we are going to have DRS, just go back to how it was at the start, so it is most fittingly used when the captain is employing it when the umpire is clearly wrong. Because with the margin for error, it is quite possible that the umpire is right and the hawkeye is wrong. Umpire's call allows for that.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby sussexpob » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:59 pm

The maximum margin of error that hawkeye has is up to 5mm or half a cm. The diameter of a ball is over 7cm, so in theory as long as more than 7% of the ball is hitting, the technology is almost faultlessly right. So why is there an additional 43% given to a batsman when such a margin could very easily be calculated?

Put simply, if under 7% of the ball scrapes a stump, it should be not out. Any more, its out.... theres no other argument, it doesnt take longer. I cant understand why out is not out?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:32 pm

Can it be definitely be said to be so small when hawkeye has had a history of producing howlers of its own?

And if .5cm is the max. margin for error, that's still a relevant margin for error given the fine margins that apply in these contentious decisions.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:41 pm

I've always been against the graphics which is very misleading anyway. Hard to tell the beer sotted punters that something is not out umpires call whist simultaneously showing them a picture of the bails flying off the top of the stumps. But hey..... that's showbiz!
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby The Professor » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:28 pm

The UAE, who else, have launched a T10 league.....outrageous....detracts from the purity of the twenty over game where an innings really means something and legends are made.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Aidan11 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:33 pm

Brian Rose had the right idea.

Just play for one over.
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