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Re: Quota system

Postby yuppie » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:48 pm

mikesiva wrote:I believe Duminy has earned his place, as has Ashwell Prince, and Makhaya Ntini....

But who knows what resentment breeds beneath the surface?

it's hard to determine exactly what Kallis said, but it certainly wasn't friendly banter. And one of the commentators said that it wasn't the first time Kallis and Boucher were combining to get up Duminy's nose....

It just seemed to be a bit overboard, IMHO.


From what you are saying Mike i would agree.

More of an Issue for SA is the possible divide within their team. Kallis and Boucher teaming up against Duminy, how do the players deal with that when the national team gets back together? If other players have had to deal with this, could this be a reason why SA fail at the final hurdle in major championships? How can a team have cohesion if some players resent others because they dont think they deserve their place?
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Re: Quota system

Postby mikesiva » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:57 pm

yuppie wrote:
mikesiva wrote:I believe Duminy has earned his place, as has Ashwell Prince, and Makhaya Ntini....

But who knows what resentment breeds beneath the surface?

it's hard to determine exactly what Kallis said, but it certainly wasn't friendly banter. And one of the commentators said that it wasn't the first time Kallis and Boucher were combining to get up Duminy's nose....

It just seemed to be a bit overboard, IMHO.


From what you are saying Mike i would agree.

More of an Issue for SA is the possible divide within their team. Kallis and Boucher teaming up against Duminy, how do the players deal with that when the national team gets back together? If other players have had to deal with this, could this be a reason why SA fail at the final hurdle in major championships? How can a team have cohesion if some players resent others because they dont think they deserve their place?

I think that might just be why the Saffers are falling down at that final hurdle....

Lest we forget, apartheid was only abolished in the early 1990s. Players like Kallis and Boucher would've grown up playing whites-only cricket, and it's probably unreasonable to expect them to suddenly change overnight. There is bound to be some baggage carried over from that unfortunate era....

And who knows what might have been said behind closed doors? Duminy comes from an area with a large 'coloured' population, as those of mixed-race are called in South Africa. The 'Cape Coloureds' have a strong identity of their own, and maybe in the dressing room some differences of opinion might've been expressed on the direction of cricket in South Africa, which is, inevitably, political.

This is pure conjecture on my part, of course, but it's not completely unreasonably conjecture, is it?
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Re: Quota system

Postby yuppie » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:11 pm

mikesiva wrote:
yuppie wrote:
mikesiva wrote:I believe Duminy has earned his place, as has Ashwell Prince, and Makhaya Ntini....

But who knows what resentment breeds beneath the surface?

it's hard to determine exactly what Kallis said, but it certainly wasn't friendly banter. And one of the commentators said that it wasn't the first time Kallis and Boucher were combining to get up Duminy's nose....

It just seemed to be a bit overboard, IMHO.


From what you are saying Mike i would agree.

More of an Issue for SA is the possible divide within their team. Kallis and Boucher teaming up against Duminy, how do the players deal with that when the national team gets back together? If other players have had to deal with this, could this be a reason why SA fail at the final hurdle in major championships? How can a team have cohesion if some players resent others because they dont think they deserve their place?

I think that might just be why the Saffers are falling down at that final hurdle....

Lest we forget, apartheid was only abolished in the early 1990s. Players like Kallis and Boucher would've grown up playing whites-only cricket, and it's probably unreasonable to expect them to suddenly change overnight. There is bound to be some baggage carried over from that unfortunate era....

And who knows what might have been said behind closed doors? Duminy comes from an area with a large 'coloured' population, as those of mixed-race are called in South Africa. The 'Cape Coloureds' have a strong identity of their own, and maybe in the dressing room some differences of opinion might've been expressed on the direction of cricket in South Africa, which is, inevitably, political.

This is pure conjecture on my part, of course, but it's not completely unreasonably conjecture, is it?


Sadly Mike i know very little about this situation in SA cricket at present. I thought all players actually got on well with each other in the present team, but from reading what you have put down today i have been sadly nieve in my views.

From what you say it would seem to make sense. But i struggle to understand it, i mean Nitini has been amazing, and in Duminy i think cricket has found a incredible talent, possible one of the best in recent years. Surely Kallis and Boucher could/can see that?
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Re: Quota system

Postby mikesiva » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:44 am

Of course, I could be completely wrong in my conjecture....
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And I hope I am!
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Re: Quota system

Postby Albondiga » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:11 pm

Thr quota sytem had to be bad for SA cricket. That said NTINI, AMLA, DUMINY should have played on merit - Quota system or not.
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Re: Quota system

Postby Albondiga » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:12 pm

Albondiga wrote:Thr quota sytem had to be bad for SA cricket. That said NTINI, AMLA, DUMINY should have played on merit - Quota system or not.


Sorry I forgot D'OLIVERA - as good as anybody.
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Re: Quota system

Postby greyblazer » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:14 pm

Prince too can be added to the list.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby mikesiva » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:41 pm

I think we're now seeing the effects of Cricket South Africa's failure to sell the sport to the black majority, most of whom still see cricket as the 'white man's sport'....

http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/conte ... 36297.html

"Falling crowd numbers for one-day fixtures, which traditionally have been well attended, doesn't bode well for the upcoming Test series which have often been a harder sell. South Africa hosted Australia last year to contest the top spot in Tests but the games took place in front of almost empty stands."

However, I think the authorities are going down the wrong path, if they're blaming the poor attendances on a 'glut' of sporting events. I'm willing to bet that the World Cup football matches will have very good crowds, and that a lot of black Saffers will be going to those matches....

The crowds for cricket in South Africa are falling largely because white Saffers have been migrating in large numbers over the past decade, to places like England and Australia, and not enough is being done to market the sport to the black majority.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby yuppie » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:44 pm

Mike i think sport as a whole is being poorly run in SA. The Footy WC is having major issues, lets not forget the problems SA administrators have had with Rugby, and the less said about the Athletics the better. A few saffer friends reckon that all Sport in SA will go backwards. They all seem to say that the people being appointed to run the sports are purely political appointments. Jobs for the boys as one put it.

I dont know enough about SA sports administration, would be interested to hear what SA supporters think?
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby PardonWonTheCup » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:13 pm

Living in England, it seems to me that Cricket is an elite game here. Footie seems the game of the masses and cricket still has the whiff of being a middle/upper class game.

That may be wrong but it is my perception. I see it reflected in the supporters to some extent more than the players.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby Dimi » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:42 pm

I get the feeling even county players like to think they can live a footballer's lifestyle (though good on those who go out and get a job in the winter). Warne, and a fair few of the Hampshire players were/ are often seen in Southampton nightclubs and casinos.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby Dimi » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:45 pm

As for South African policies, I don't think they are doing enough to sell the game to the whole country. There are still large swathes of South Africa where nobody cares about cricket. Though the same could be said for rugby, with the strongholds being mainly Capetown, Pretoria and Durban.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby PardonWonTheCup » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:52 pm

They need another Ntini. Someone who has come from the backblocks and made it huge. There is nothing like role-models to get a game elbowing into parts of society that don't normally go near it.
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Re: Nice article about SA selection policy

Postby ddb » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 am

Dimi wrote:I get the feeling even county players like to think they can live a footballer's lifestyle (though good on those who go out and get a job in the winter). Warne, and a fair few of the Hampshire players were/ are often seen in Southampton nightclubs and casinos.


This doesnt happen with Warwickshire!!
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Re: Quota system

Postby mikesiva » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:43 pm

Here's an interesting article on KP and the Saffer quota system....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 945801.ece

"When he threw in his lot with England — courtesy of his mother being British — in 2000, it was only a year since South African cricket had made a decisive switch in policy. There were to be no more all-white Test teams and a quota of three non-white players per team was to be imposed on domestic cricket. Pietersen himself enjoyed a privileged white-dominated education. Pietersen’s departure was a direct denunciation of the affirmative action and by implication of the “new” South Africa. The quota system was clearly not ideal when selection in sport is normally based solely on merit, but as Jonty Rhodes once asked: “How do you balance 30 to 40 years of inequality?” It was this that South Africans objected to so vehemently at the time and many still cannot forgive Pietersen."

That said, the animosity towards KP is nowhere near it was during that last tour....

"Now, though, South Africans are more comfortable with the decisions they made in 1999 — and perhaps therefore less hostile to Pietersen. At the time he left, Pietersen’s decision may have raised doubts in their own minds about whether they were doing the right thing. But the fruits of their policies are now regularly being felt. Two non-white players, Loots Bosman and Alviro Petersen, starred in the one-day matches against England, while Makhaya Ntini, the first black African cricketer to play for South Africa, is on the verge of having his status as an all-time legend of South African sport sanctified with a 100th Test cap in Centurion."
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