Sammy vs Gayle as WI captain

[greyblazer]

When Gayle got that 300 at Antigua a few others got their chance too late to score a triple hundred.Gayle opened the batting and feasted on one of the flattest decks ever seen. Even Mark Boucher, Dippanear, Prince bowled in that match.

No one compared Gayle and Sammy as a batsman but Sammy deserves a place in the side as a bowler. A better comparison would be until recently Kallis didn't have a double hundred yet Gayle has couple of triple hundreds on feather-beds but that doesn't make Gayle a special player and Kallis just a good batsman

[shankycricket]

When Gayle got that 300 at Antigua a few others got their chance too late to score a triple hundred.Gayle opened the batting and feasted on one of the flattest decks ever seen. Even Mark Boucher, Dippanear, Prince bowled in that match.

No one compared Gayle and Sammy as a batsman but Sammy deserves a place in the side as a bowler. A better comparison would be until recently Kallis didn't have a double hundred yet Gayle has couple of triple hundreds on feather-beds but that doesn't make Gayle a special player and Kallis just a good batsman

Couldnt agree more

[mikesiva]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

So, it's important to have batsmen who can deliver on tracks such as these. Instead, the Windies lose by an innings, and have lost the series. It was an insipid, uninspired performance by the Windies in the field and in the first innings. The only fight was shown in the second innings, so I can't see sammy coming out of this Test with much kudos as a leader. Yes, he's earned his place in the side as a bowler, but as a leader, I didn't see much at Kolkata that he has added to the side over Gayle.

So, another loss to Sammy's leadership, and his stats as captain continue to worsen....won two, lost four, drawn six.

[shankycricket]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

So, it's important to have batsmen who can deliver on tracks such as these. Instead, the Windies lose by an innings, and have lost the series. It was an insipid, uninspired performance by the Windies in the field and in the first innings. The only fight was shown in the second innings, so I can't see sammy coming out of this Test with much kudos as a leader. Yes, he's earned his place in the side as a bowler, but as a leader, I didn't see much at Kolkata that he has added to the side over Gayle.

So, another loss to Sammy's leadership, and his stats as captain continue to worsen....won two, lost four, drawn six.

I agree with what you have said about Gayle on these sort of pitches
However regarding Sammy's leadership,I cant see what what Sammy he could have done differently over here

[greyblazer]

Anyway WI got 460 without Gayle. I don' t know how can anyone lead a weak team to a victory and that too in India? Under Sammy WI though continue to show a bit of fight which wasn't seen under Gayle's leadership.

[meninblue]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

That's the difference between Gayle and other West Indian batsman. Even when set on flat wickets his team mates knock a ton, but could not convert it to doubles. That's an ability of high class players and Gayle certainly has done that over the years. If Gayle gets set on such wickets there is a high probability of him knocking a huge ton or a double or even a triple. I doubt any other of his team mates will knock a double or not against top 5 teams. Even if they do they might together not have as many doubles and triples as Gayle has.

[shankycricket]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

That's the difference between Gayle and other West Indian batsman. Even when set on flat wickets his team mates knock a ton, but could not convert it to doubles. That's an ability of high class players and Gayle certainly has done that over the years. If Gayle gets set on such wickets there is a high probability of him knocking a huge ton or a double or even a triple. I doubt any other of his team mates will knock a double or not against top 5 teams. Even if they do they might together not have as many doubles and triples as Gayle has.

Gayle has 13 Test hundreds in a 12 year long career.
Cook has 19 in a 5 and a half year long career.I havent seen anyone call him a special player and rightly so

[meninblue]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

That's the difference between Gayle and other West Indian batsman. Even when set on flat wickets his team mates knock a ton, but could not convert it to doubles. That's an ability of high class players and Gayle certainly has done that over the years. If Gayle gets set on such wickets there is a high probability of him knocking a huge ton or a double or even a triple. I doubt any other of his team mates will knock a double or not against top 5 teams. Even if they do they might together not have as many doubles and triples as Gayle has.

Gayle has 13 Test hundreds in a 12 year long career.
Cook has 19 in a 5 and a half year long career.I havent seen anyone call him a special player and rightly so

Let us wait and see how many doubles and triple Simmons, Kirk, Adrian, Darren has after playing equal number of tests. Cook as well is a quality player for me.

[shankycricket]

ATM he is AT BEST the sixth best Test opener in the world.
Smith,Sehwag,Cook,Gambhir and Strauss(in that order IMO) are comfortably better than him.
If the sixth best opener in world cricket is so special then cricket must be in a very healthy state

[meninblue]

ATM he is AT BEST the sixth best Test opener in the world.
Smith,Sehwag,Cook,Gambhir and Strauss(in that order IMO) are comfortably better than him.
If the sixth best opener in world cricket is so special then cricket must be in a very healthy state

All i said was i think Gayle will have more doubles and triples than what Kirk, Simmons, Adrian and Darren will have in total after playing equal number of tests. I didn't compare him with Gautam, Cook, Strauss, Smith and Sehwag.

[shankycricket]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

That's the difference between Gayle and other West Indian batsman. Even when set on flat wickets his team mates knock a ton, but could not convert it to doubles. That's an ability of high class players and Gayle certainly has done that over the years. If Gayle gets set on such wickets there is a high probability of him knocking a huge ton or a double or even a triple. I doubt any other of his team mates will knock a double or not against top 5 teams. Even if they do they might together not have as many doubles and triples as Gayle has.

Gayle has 13 Test hundreds in a 12 year long career.
Cook has 19 in a 5 and a half year long career.I havent seen anyone call him a special player and rightly so

Let us wait and see how many doubles and triple Simmons, Kirk, Adrian, Darren has after playing equal number of tests. Cook as well is a quality player for me.

From what I have seen of Darren Bravo he is a more talented player than Gayle.He is certainly a far better player than what Gayle was at his age.If he can keep his head right,he will go on and have a very successful Test career.
Same for Barath although less so.
I am not sure about the others.But you really shouldnt be determining the quality of a player by comparing him with a few extremely inexperienced youngsters.When you compare Gayle with some of the best batsmen in the world then he falls a bit short of what you call 'special'.Good player,yes but he is nothing special.

In T20 you can call him special,not in Tests though.

[shankycricket]

ATM he is AT BEST the sixth best Test opener in the world.
Smith,Sehwag,Cook,Gambhir and Strauss(in that order IMO) are comfortably better than him.
If the sixth best opener in world cricket is so special then cricket must be in a very healthy state

All i said was i think Gayle will have more doubles and triples than what Kirk, Simmons, Adrian and Darren will have in total after playing equal number of tests. I didn't compare him with Gautam, Cook, Strauss, Smith and Sehwag.

And how can you pass such a judgement so early?Give the youngsters a fair chance before passing such a definitive judgement.
Was Gayle's record any better than some of these youngsters after his first few Test matches?

[meninblue]

If Gayle had batted on this flat track at Kolkata instead of Brathwaite, there's a great likelihood that the Windies may have drawn this Test....

That's the difference between Gayle and other West Indian batsman. Even when set on flat wickets his team mates knock a ton, but could not convert it to doubles. That's an ability of high class players and Gayle certainly has done that over the years. If Gayle gets set on such wickets there is a high probability of him knocking a huge ton or a double or even a triple. I doubt any other of his team mates will knock a double or not against top 5 teams. Even if they do they might together not have as many doubles and triples as Gayle has.

Gayle has 13 Test hundreds in a 12 year long career.
Cook has 19 in a 5 and a half year long career.I havent seen anyone call him a special player and rightly so

Let us wait and see how many doubles and triple Simmons, Kirk, Adrian, Darren has after playing equal number of tests. Cook as well is a quality player for me.

From what I have seen of Darren Bravo he is a more talented player than Gayle.He is certainly a far better player than what Gayle was at his age.If he can keep his head right,he will go on and have a very successful Test career.
Same for Barath although less so.
I am not sure about the others.But you really shouldnt be determining the quality of a player by comparing him with a few extremely inexperienced youngsters.When you compare Gayle with some of the best batsmen in the world then he falls a bit short of what you call 'special'.Good player,yes but he is nothing special.

In T20 you can call him special,not in Tests though.

As i said in my previous comment I will wait and see .

[shankycricket]

In some of your previous posts(not today) you weretrying to imply that Gayle is some kind of special player just because he has two triples(even though on two National Highways) despite the fact that his overall record is nothing special when compared to some of his contemporaries.

[andy]

Intresting difference between the 2 skippers

Dhoni: Looks cool, calm and relaxed all the time. He always appears to never having to do anything captaincy wise, the players just know their roles, and what they are doing. he seems to inspire confidence in whatever he does

Sammy: Always under pressure as skipper, as his place in the side, is always being questionned, even though he has a good record with the ball in test cricket. Not sure whether he inspires much confidence, and to be honest the windies in the field, throughout the series, have had hands in pockets and not really looked up for it in the 2nd test.