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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:30 am

I'm guessing Splinters meant M Waugh? He must have three-four?
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby greyblazer » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:55 am

Hmm, he had just one and that was at the MCG against WI in the tri-series final in 2001, when he had come under severe pressure due to match-fixing allegations. If Mark Waugh had a habit of getting out between 137 to 140 in Tests, then in ODIs, it was 130 to 133, ha.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:31 am

greyblazer wrote:Hmm, he had just one and that was at the MCG against WI in the tri-series final in 2001, when he had come under severe pressure due to match-fixing allegations. If Mark Waugh had a habit of getting out between 137 to 140 in Tests, then in ODIs, it was 130 to 133, ha.


You're right. I would have put money on him having at least three.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby greyblazer » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:23 am

Mark Waugh got quite a few 130s. However, just like in Tests, perhaps struggled for concentration once he reached 120/130. One of the main reasons why his Test average remained around 42/43.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:00 am

greyblazer wrote:Mark Waugh got quite a few 130s. However, just like in Tests, perhaps struggled for concentration once he reached 120/130. One of the main reasons why his Test average remained around 42/43.


His test average remained average because he was average. He was the test match equivalent of a wonderbra..... I would also say 20 test match hundreds in 128 tests is where his problem lies, not what he did after. His century rate couldnt have been that much better than a Nasser Hussain or Mike Atherton?

And neither of those had the pleasure of the worst England team of all time to play against on a regular basis, or the comfort of batting in an all conquering team. Had Waugh had the pleasure of batting for England, his rate might have been worse.

I mean his last innings in England was pretty indicative.... strolling in at 300-2 with the series already won.... cant be hard.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:11 am

With Mark it was always how he scored them rather than how many. Similar to Damien Martyn, and to our Ian Bell. I do like the wonderbra analogy!
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:40 am

Gingerfinch wrote:With Mark it was always how he scored them rather than how many. Similar to Damien Martyn, and to our Ian Bell. I do like the wonderbra analogy!


I know Greyblazer has a special place in his heart for Waugh, but I have never really been one for the artistry of a batsman who didnt perform to the top level, because although those flicks off his pads were a joy to watch in their effortlessness, for me he was always a vulnerable presence at the crease.

1999-2000 is the year I remember most. The sauntering, lazy footwork that couldnt cope with Ambrose and Walsh for much of that magically series. The way Chaminda Vaas dominated him the test after in Sri Lanka, and then how Murali terrorised him for a short period he stayed in for the remaining two tests. Or how the Pakistan bowlers tore him apart in OZ after that.

By the end in 2002 it was sad to see an old guy from a bygone era being outperformed by a newer breed of Cricket. While his career was dying at a whimper in South Africa in 2002, Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Martyn and Gilchrist were all scoring runs around him, and Steve was obviously moulding together the best team I have ever seen... he was the odd one out, the player that wasnt really good enough to play with the others.

While there is examples in his earlier days, by the end he was a player that only scored runs in easy situations. As Australia struggled in Sri Lanka he couldnt get bat on ball, also as Australia struggled in Windies. The only real one I remember is his contributions in Chennai when Australia lost to India in 2001.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:46 am

I guess it depends how you look at it. I was talking with a friend recently who was saying in sport, one thing that he loves to see more than creativity artistry is the beauty and sureness of brilliant defence. I tend to agree to it to some extent, I like to see a good tackle as much as a good pass, and Waugh didnt have a great technique defensively. So for all he was an atheistic pleasure to some, to others he exhibited at his worst some horrible examples of defending his wicket.

Id rather have watched Steve wearing bouncers on a quick pitch against two bowlers trying to knock his head off, and him scoring a scratchy 50, then Junior being expansive.... thats just me. My favourite moment in cricket (apart from 153* by Lara at Barbados in 1999) was the 1998 test Donald v Atherton.

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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby meninblue » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:09 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:I guess he must be the first player now to have so many scores over 150 + in ODI history

264
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170
171*
150


He's at least tied with Tendulkar who also has 5, and I'd wager a long way behind Steve Waugh who must be up around 10.


Waugh was the first person to score a test 150 against all teams, I know that, but when he scored that innings against South Africa when Gibbs famously dropped him, and he then made 120 not out, it was only his 2nd ODI hundred I believe



Steven Waugh has not scored any innings over 150.All his 3 hundreds are as 120*, 114*, 112*

You are correct about Sachin though, who has 5 scores over 150. I think Rohit will get ahead of Sachin in this 150+ record in 2016 itself.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby meninblue » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:16 pm

Gingerfinch wrote:I'm guessing Splinters meant M Waugh? He must have three-four?


Mark Waugh has only one 150+ score which is 173.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:22 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:
Gingerfinch wrote:I'm guessing Splinters meant M Waugh? He must have three-four?


Mark Waugh has only one 150+ score which is 173.


I was sure he scored a 150 + in the early 1990's, but no.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:22 am

Gingerfinch wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:
Gingerfinch wrote:I'm guessing Splinters meant M Waugh? He must have three-four?


Mark Waugh has only one 150+ score which is 173.


I was sure he scored a 150 + in the early 1990's, but no.


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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby greyblazer » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:40 pm

Is 1999 the only series that Mark Waugh played against WI? When Steve Waugh struggled against Amby, Walsh and Bishop in 1992-93 (Bishop was bowling frighteningly quick in 1992-93), it was Mark Waugh who made that ton at the MCG. Going by ABC's radio commentary that I listened to and Allan Border's quotes, it has to be a treacherous track, where some kept low and on occasions, it bounced awkwardly from a back of a length.

Border said: "We [Border and Mark Waugh] had to face the new ball in the morning. It was perhaps the hardest hour and a half of Test-match cricket that you would ever want to face. I can remember talking about it with Mark between overs. we were both saying, 'Geez, how tough is this?'"

He added: "Mark Waugh didn't give the impression to the outsider, but he was as tough and competitive as anyone. That innings against West Indies took a lot of character and guts."

Remember the fact that he averaged about 67 against Patterson, Walsh, Ambrose and Marshall in 1991-92 as well. Three of the four bowlers mentioned were still at their peaks. He played that knock in Jamaica in 1995, when Donald bowled with fierce pace at Port Elizabeth in 1996-97 on a dicey track, it was Junior who scored that ton. Most of them forget his century to save Australia a Test match in Border's last game in Durban in 1993-94 on a bouncy track. Yes, Durban had good pace and bounce in 1993-94.

Fans also forget that when Waqar and Wasim tested him with reverse swing on an abrasive surface at the SCG in 1995-96, he handled it well and amassed a hundred there, too. Of course, this thread is not about him. But it makes no sense, when someone repeatedly brings up that 1999 series to make him look bad against pace.

I just come up with facts and base it on what I have seen/listened to. Mark Waugh was not some great Test match batsman, but definitely better than what some think. If I had a special place in my heart for him, I would have said he was a great batsman. It seems more like you dislike him, ha.
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:20 am

Two consecutive tons in this ODI series versus OZ in OZ. After a long time some Indian batsman has scored two back to back tons in ODI against Australia in Australia. :?:
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Re: Rohit Sharma

Postby Red Devil » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:47 am

clubcricketeradi wrote:Two consecutive tons in this ODI series versus OZ in OZ. After a long time some Indian batsman has scored two back to back tons in ODI against Australia in Australia. :?:


and we still lost both games very easily :(
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