Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

[Durhamfootman]

Sadler seems to be a divisive character

maybe he's right, who knows, but he doesn't seem to have got the best out of his players

[Durhamfootman]

ECB have introduced an independent regulator as recommended by the Independent Commission for Equality in Cricket

it has a safeguarding, anti-corruption, anti-doping and anti-discrimination remit and will be temporarily headed up by a former police officer

lets hope the former police officer isn't also a former member of the Met, with a remit like that

[Durhamfootman]

former deputy chief constable dorset, devon and cornwall

phew!

could have been awkward if all young black men turning up at a cricket ground were routinely asked to turn out their pockets, the contents divied up between stewards, a tithe sent to members of organised crime families, any bodycam photos circulated among their own whatsapp group for a laugh and complaints put it the bin by the steward supervisors

[Durhamfootman]

Graves is back as owner of Yorks and he's very happy about it

what could possibly go wrong?

[Durhamfootman]

I've endured a couple of weeks listening to chatter about Australia's new test opener and how he'll become the best opener in the world within 12 months. Well maybe he will, but he got a first baller today for Sydney in his first go at his new job

[GarlicJam]

I've only heard it from Michael Clarke. Clarke is a living headline, and strives for relevance.

What was his big prediction before the Pakistan series? Whatever it was, he was completely wrong.

[Durhamfootman]

Is he a media tart, like MPV, GJ?

[Durhamfootman]

People are not happy about the return of Graves...... who when pushed and pushed into a corner has suddenly decided he might as well apologise 'unreservedly' for his part in the racism scandal at Yorks....... presumably so 'unreservedly' that he hopes it might make the whole thing go away. Well I've got some bad news for him..... the noise about it will only get worse

[GarlicJam]

Is he a media tart, like MPV, GJ?

In a very different way, yes.

Vaughan is likable, personable. I wouldn't be keen on watching anything with Clarke commentating - I genuinely don't like him.


Vaughan seems to have put an effort in to be liked by Australians (I have not heard that much of him before this summer) and does come across as a little crawly - but likable with it. He certainly does enjoy being one of the blokes in the comm box, but can be funny with it. MPV can make some outright stupid suggestions at times, but also does make some very astute comments. Overall, I enjoy listening to him.

[Durhamfootman]

Certainly I can't imagine MPV telling opposition players that they were going to have their arms broken

[GarlicJam]

Even if he had been so inclined, he would have at least got the sentence structure correct.

[sussexpob]

Vaughan can be a really good commentator when he wants to be, but the positives are entirely lost through his online social media presence. He has taken the role of being a combative, argumentative wind up merchant on Twitter, and gets involved with childish spats, especially seemingly with Indian fans with his often wild anti-Indian takes (which seem programmed just so they get exposure for his twitter account, but he should be better than that).

Recently he seems to have unnecessarily started some spat with Mohammed Hafeez, and during the world cup was tweeting insults at Hafeez every minute. It was very boring. Before that, he went to war with Wasim Jaffer, which felt very awkward because it ranged from playful banter to rather personal remarks.

And that's before we get into some of his political opinions, which its fair to say are very different to mine. He comes across as the typical white, comfortably middle class Daily Mail reader..... moans 50 times a day about things that dont matter, and yet brutally attacks people for being woke snowflakes who need a good war to toughen them up.

Not very likeable person

[Alviro Patterson]

Graves is back as owner of Yorks and he's very happy about it

what could possibly go wrong?

A part of me wanted Yorkshire to default on their debts and go bust. International cricket and Headingley has been a millstone around Yorkshire's neck. Rather than clearing the debts by 2019, the debt pile has increased with no sign of ever paying it off.

[sussexpob]

A part of me wanted Yorkshire to default on their debts and go bust. International cricket and Headingley has been a millstone around Yorkshire's neck. Rather than clearing the debts by 2019, the debt pile has increased with no sign of ever paying it off.

The thing that I find most annoying about this, and other similar scenarios is, someone like Graves can take over Yorkshire cricket club and have the club loan millions out of his own pocket under whatever terms he decides, and then 22 years down the line after he has nearly bankrupted them by paying 10s of millions buying the stadium, renovating it, investing loads in players etc.... the club struggle to exist to pay all that money back. 75-80% of Yorkshires debt according to what I have read in the press is owed to Graves, and they apparently owed 500,000 to Graves in interest last year. How can an owner of a failing club personally benefit from its crippling debts in the former of interest on his loans?

It should be illegal. Sporting clubs are communities, and important ones at that.... if millionaires want to play sporting managers, then make them commit that money to clubs as gifts, not loans. And stop this nonsense where owners can take money out of struggling clubs in form of payments for their management or generosity.

[Alviro Patterson]

Benefactors putting interest on lending money is standard practice. It's used as a tool to recover the monies owed. If the borrower makes progress on repayment and a realistic chance of paying off in full, there is scope to renegotiate the original agreement.

Say if Yorkshire received an exceptional eight figure windfall and want to pay off the Graves Family Trust. The club could go to the trust and say we are in a position to pay the debt off in full. There is more chance of the Graves Trust saying "the final balance is the original borrowing amount and associated costs" than a bank.

The reality is, Yorkshire have not cleared off the debts as scheduled despite exceptional revenues with the Cricket World Cup, The Ashes and The Hundred. The parachuted ECB chairman had no control of club spending, but previous chairmen and chief executives are far from blameless.

If Graves really wanted to make money, Yorkshire CCC would be a limited company by now and members lose their voting rights. If anything, the voting rights criteria has broadened. Just buying a One Day Cup membership, costing £50 enables voting rights. Whereas the cheapest way of obtaining voting rights was a full membership costing around £240. As a result, my voting rights have been restored after 11 years.