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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:08 pm

st_brendy wrote:
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st_brendy wrote:In my view, it is very easy for county fans whose team is regularly in D1 to be fully supportive of the current LVCC structure. I don't think they necessarily realise just how poor the bottom end of D2 is. You need to be down there, in D2, to really realise it.

Just look at the list of sides who have struggled in D1 after being promoted form D2 in very recent history. Worcs, Hants, Lancs, Surrey, Derby and Northants. Yorkshire are the only side in the last four years who I can think of that have managed to adequately cope with D1, but they're an anomaly given that a county of their size should never really have been in D2 in the first place. (Plus it makes it quite easy for them to attract players since being promoted).

These sides have been the best D2 can offer in the recent years, and yet have failed to cope with D1. So just think how poor the other sides in D2 are, the ones who can't even get promoted from D2.

It is absolutely not the case that a change to the structure should not, at the very least, be considered.


And how does cutting a couple of games a season give the poorer teams a better chance?


Where on earth in this post have I said anything about cutting a couple of games?

My post was simply to point out it's very easy the people at the top end of D1 to sit back and say that there is nothing wrong. And in their defence, they probably honestly think that is the case.

(My second post, following my above one here, was simply me passing an option which I have heard one or two give in the media).



It is the ECB who want to cut the games so any change will reflect that whether they have two or three divisions. As I said previously, that wont help any team, let alone the ones at the bottom.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:21 am

Cricket Writers on TV finally gave plenty of time to the county game today and more or less covered a lot of what has been said in this thread.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:52 am

It was on, then it was off. Now it looks like it's on again.


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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:54 pm

According to the Worcestershire boards there appears to have been a members meeting with the chairman.

Talks ongoing but it seems no decision has yet been taken to reduce the CC but Strauss has indicated he would like more 50 over cricket due to England hosting the 2019 WC.

So that's no change to the CC, more 50 over games and more T20 games.

Doncha just love committees? :facepalm
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:26 pm

Aidan11 wrote:According to the Worcestershire boards there appears to have been a members meeting with the chairman.

Talks ongoing but it seems no decision has yet been taken to reduce the CC but Strauss has indicated he would like more 50 over cricket due to England hosting the 2019 WC.

So that's no change to the CC, more 50 over games and more T20 games.

Doncha just love committees? :facepalm


Dobell reporting that the County chairmen have agreed to a reduced LVCC.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:37 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:According to the Worcestershire boards there appears to have been a members meeting with the chairman.

Talks ongoing but it seems no decision has yet been taken to reduce the CC but Strauss has indicated he would like more 50 over cricket due to England hosting the 2019 WC.

So that's no change to the CC, more 50 over games and more T20 games.

Doncha just love committees? :facepalm


Dobell reporting that the County chairmen have agreed to a reduced LVCC.


I'd be more inclined to believe the word of someone actually at the meeting than a journo with a tendency to twist the facts.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:44 pm

I will be amazed if the ECB are pushing for a 14 game County Championship with the current two divisions from next year. The last thing counties want is a reduction in membership revenue, which is the lifeblood of any County Cricket club. Add a rain affected Twenty20 block tournament into a reduced, just like the current RLODC campaign into a reduced County Championship format and counties suffering from cashflow problems will become more commonplace.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby westoelad » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:18 pm

Alviro Patterson wrote:I will be amazed if the ECB are pushing for a 14 game County Championship with the current two divisions from next year. The last thing counties want is a reduction in membership revenue, which is the lifeblood of any County Cricket club. Add a rain affected Twenty20 block tournament into a reduced, just like the current RLODC campaign into a reduced County Championship format and counties suffering from cashflow problems will become more commonplace.

County chairmen agreed to a reduction to 14 games which will be rubber stamped by ECB at a meeting on 22nd sept. Comes into effect for 2017 so next season will be 2down/1up in 1st division presumably.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:16 pm

Something has occured to me with how home international cricket is scheduled next year. Naturally Sky Sports will be dictating when to televise domestic competitions, which contributes to the dodgy scheduling.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/con ... e=fixtures

The 2nd England-Pakistan ODI in August is on a Bank Holiday weekend, normally T20 Finals Day are held then. There is a gap on Sunday and Monday for a possible Finals Day but the 3rd ODI is on Tuesday, making the release of ODI players unlikely for a flagship event.

RLODC semi-finals are often held relatively early September, but the final ODI is on Sunday 4th September. Unless the ECB plan to hold the semi-finals midweek or the 10-11th and the final on 18tg/25th September, but that seems far fetched given possible weather/logistical issues.

Seems to me that the T20 Blast won't start in May and the Royal London Cup to be played earlier in the season.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:03 pm

Test Match Special are reporting that there will be no structural changes in County Cricket next year, with format discussions to continue over the winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34271954
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:08 pm

They just seem to want to keep on at this until they wear the counties down.


I hope they keep digging their heels in.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:21 pm

Interesting that the people who are most in favour of a reduction in CC matches are the people who can watch any damn cricket they like without it costing them a bean, yet they expect the people who do pay for every bit of cricket they watch to accept a diminshed product for their money.

When Vaughan, Swann, and Lloyd pay to attend cricket matches, and lump it in the stands with the riff raff, then I'll listen to their views

They should come round to my bins for a bit of a chat over the winter, and I'll show them how to reduce player workload without reducing the number of matches they play
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:46 pm

Good point, and well made Durham.

Often it seems that the people who watch the game for a living, don't actually like the game that much.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:54 pm

Aidan11 wrote:They just seem to want to keep on at this until they wear the counties down.

I hope they keep digging their heels in.


The ECB seem to have gone from wanting to make changes with effect to consulting over the winter. Maybe they haven't realised how much the changes will impact the domestic game.
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Re: The future of County Cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:49 pm

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